Thread: Mucuna Pruriens / L-DOPA

As a Psychology/Drug Major I would highly recommend AGAINST ANYONE using L-Dopa or any precursor to L-Dopa/Dopamine as a dream aid.

L-Dopa is EXTREMELY dangerous to mental health. As stated in your original text, Dopamine levels are directly related to an ENDLESS list of Mental Disorders. (Not just Parkinsons) Just because someone does not have a current disorder, they are most of the time brought out (Pushed over the edge) by messing with dopamine levels (I.E. Taking a stimulant drug such as cocaine, MDMA, Speed, LSD, or straight L-Dopa related products)

Bringing your dopamine levels up real high just ONCE can throw someone into a FULL BLOWN state of Schizophrenia or any other disorder that may go back generations in their family gene pool (Bi-Polar,OCD,GAD etc etc etc)

Then as your dopamine levels crash after being high, your mental well being will be not so comfortable, and present MORE threat for inducing MORE mental illness. It can also induce a short term state of Psychosis (A broken down and confused thought process in the brain)< Potentially what Parkinsons is for the brain > physical action.

Dopamine levels regulate Norepinephrine, Epinephrine, ADRENALINE, and NORADRENALINE (Increasing)

Sleeping like this is can be tough for OBVIOUS reasons, as your mind is in a stimulated state- As you can tell for the first night.


Your logic for this is HIGHLY flawed my friend, and a potentially VERY dangerous thing, not only for yourself, but to passively suggest it to the public. Your messing with something very dangerous without enough research.

(I have personal experience in this. These stories are NOT scare stories. I took MDMA ONCE, just ONCE in my life. MDMA raises dopamine and tryptophan(Seratonin) through the ROOF, and ever since that one night I have never led the same normal life as before. I have now been clinically diagnosed with two Mental Disorders. Something that is life changing and that no one should risk going through for any reason, let alone a Lucid Dream.)


Everyone else should take heed of this as well.

This thread should be closed up for your own safety, as well as everyone elses.

Well, I may consider myself a learned Wikipedia scholar, but it would behoove me to listen to those who actually have more than hypothetical knowledge about the things I mean to put myself through. If the more-or-less unanimous response to my proposal is "Holy shit, you're going to fuck yourself up, I know personally because of X, Y, and Z, you'd better stop," then I don't think any amount of evidence that I could scrap together from shady alternative medicine sites can compare.

So I'll abort the attempt for safety's sake. I can't say my short stint with the precursor has done anything for the three things I mentioned in my intro post, but at least I'm not having a psychotic episode either.

I do still feel pretty shitty in general like I described in Day 1, but once again I was freezing cold all night long with nothing but a sheet to insulate me with, and there were jackasses in the dorm halls coming and going (and talking, and screaming) all through the night, so I feel I can still chalk up my decrepitude to circumstances over substances. I'll be getting better sleeping conditions tonight; if the malaise doesn't clear in a few days I'll start to suspect Mucuna as a culprit.

Anyways, thanks Alprazolam - your concern has swayed me. The bottle goes in the trash can. Admins can feel free to lock this up, I suppose, although I might still want to update again for completion's sake to bring resolution to my "feeling like crap" conundrum.

Thanks again Alprazolam. Folks, be careful, better yet, don't mess around with this stuff unless you know EXACTLY the effects and risks. Better still, don't mess around with it at all. Everything you need is already inside your head!

Remember, DreamViews is not responsible if you get yourself messed up by trying somthing that has been posted here

I can find much appreciation for the fact that you have accepted the knowledge instead of shunned it in a self soaked pridely manner.

You are protecting yourself from a very potentially harmful outcome, as well as protecting some of the more influenced minds of the community.

As for your feeling "shitty". It can be diverted to circumstance but I can almost assure you it is in the least, a combination of the two.

When someone takes a drug..lets say for example: Ecstacy (MDMA). The actualy compound (MDMA) Isn't what causes the affect. It's how the compound affects the different neurtansmitters and the synapses between them. (I.E. Dopamine levels, seratonin, etc)

So when a "user" is "up" with most stimulating drugs, dopamine levels and seratonin levels are up, way beyond normal production. Thus far giving the desired effects. (Energy, Euphoria, etc) As the brain realizes it has more than substantial amounts of any of these, it shuts down its own natural production.

Once these substances are metabolized out, the chemicles it had been affecting do not only reced down, but thus "crash" down as the mind is also making no more on its own.

This is what we like to call the "come down" or "scuicide tuesdays". Temporary depressions, mood swings, and mental uncomfort is guarenteed, as well as often times the body feeling some of these effects (feeling sick etc)


What I'm blabbing about to put shortly is: You messed with your dopamine levels. You most defineatly have some side effects. (How many times can we have a bad night sleep, and be cold, but still the next day not feel all that bad. And feel totally normal even the day after)

As for how long they will last, probably not too much longer as it wasn't an extreme change from what I can see and was only a one day thing.

(However it only takes one time to bring out a Psycho-Sematic episode, or a mental disorder- Which luckily you have not experienced.)

Good luck in the future my friend! Chalk it up as a learning experience, and stick to the staples.

I don't think it's fair to say that all dopamine precursors are dangerous. Reasonable dosages of L-Tyrosine are safe because it's conversion to L-Dopa is rate-limited by enzymes in your body.

I would not use L-Dopa, but L-Tyrosine is fine if taken in low-doses. However, it is true that dopamine breaks down into norepinephrine (noradrenaline), so you would want to keep the dose low, or take something that reduces the adrenergic effect (e.g. magnesium).

I've experimented with Mucuna. I have had no luck what so ever. It's seems to interfear with lucidity as far as I am concerned.

Same here.

Originally Posted by DrTechnical

I've experimented with Mucuna. I have had no luck what so ever. It's seems to interfear with lucidity as far as I am concerned.

From what i believe (and i consider my self pretty well educated in the supplements/vitamins field) you must take a pretty big dose to notice a difference, or for increasing your odds for lucidity.

Dopabean is one brand that is OTC supplement for L-Dopa. The instructions on it say to take one capsule in the morning and one at night as a daily supplement.

If you want to use it for lucid dreaming, i would try for 3 capsules at the time of the WBTB, so after 4-5 hours of sleep.

Go from 3 capsules and work your way up. Do not start with high doses because if you had any imbalances in your hormones, it would be sort of 'activated' by taking a large dose of L-Dopa; or increasing your Dopamine levels relatively fast.