Thread: New Novadreamer...

The workshop is going on right now. I wonder when we will hear some news.

Originally Posted by brumans

The workshop is going on right now. I wonder when we will hear some news.

The workshop has been over for about a month now, and yet still no news...

Originally Posted by LucidAlex

The workshop has been over for about a month now, and yet still no news...

Those who attended the workshop may have signed a non-disclosure agreement, so we'll only know when TLI actually announces something on their website. Don't hold your breath though, since it's been about 3 years since anything was updated on the site!

Originally Posted by jonesn

Those who attended the workshop may have signed a non-disclosure agreement, so we'll only know when TLI actually announces something on their website. Don't hold your breath though, since it's been about 3 years since anything was updated on the site!

True, true.

It's been over a month and a half and nothing?

bump

i have emailed keelin from lucidity institute, she told me they have delayed the new nova launch to first quarter of 2008.

Ah.. cool, that's not to bad. Only a couple months away.

Any word on new features and price?

I want to buy a NovaDreamer. How much do you want for it?

Originally Posted by Dream Sailor

They could place the LEDs in an external emission box and transfer light via fiber optic cabling to reduce bulk. Nothing expensive but we probably won't see it done.

My take on these is this: RIP OFF

Really, no matter how you butter it up, it's a device with the complexity of your average childs toy at Wal-Mart. LEDs, sensors, big whooptie do's. You can buy a 20" LCD monitor for $200 bucks for crying out loud, now lets compare internal parts lists between the two...

Anyone who looks at parts cost on anything they incorporate knows these things are made for pennies on the dollar and then jacked up. I can't see there being some huge setup costs, it's an automated process and there aren't parts being machined, so no hefty production molds being made. I don't condone you for paying this price, I just know if consumers were actually educated they wouldn't be thinking about handing their money away so easily and prices would then drop.

Can anyone sew? Can you solder as well? I don't think any sensors are needed to make the principle work. They are just helping you time it right into REM as they say.

You could take a standard white sleep mask and open it up (I say white because it allows the light to transfer through more easily), and basically place some LEDs of your choice color inside and glue them or sew them in place. Run your small gauge wire out of the mask, pad with a small amount of cotton, and stitch back up. Place some correct resistors (maybe 1-10k ohm, or use a dial potentiometer) on the external connection wire so you don't overfeed your LEDs, and use a male stereo plug for your power connection. All of which is available at Radioshack for about $5 together.

Now you have a dream mask which uses an audio output from a laptop or PC as its signal feed. You then simply find audio which has solid tone lengths in the intervals you want, or create your own. This creates the flashing patterns and brightness which will occur based upon volume setting.

If you ask me, it's worth the $5-10 bucks to try before spending $200 on something that might not help you any more.

the whole point of the NovaDreamer though, is to signal you while you're in REM. Is there not a way to build that into the mask? My bf is a mechanic who is good at electrical stufff, I was thinking of asking him to make me a mask (he'd probably be into it), but I don't see the point of the above design. Are you saying to find audio that's 90 minutes long, so that when the audio stops, the light flashes? I agree with what you're saying about the price btw - there are kids toys that are way more complex than the NovaDreamer that cost 50 bucks or even cheaper. Someone really needs to come up with an inexpensive dream mask - it would probably sell really well - more and more people are into lucid dreams these days.

If anyone has any ideas on how to do a REM sensor in this homemade dream mask, I'd love to hear it

PS - do you think you could post the actual instructions to actually make this, instead of just listing the things you need? Like, how exactly to do it?

Originally Posted by jonesn

Those who attended the workshop may have signed a non-disclosure agreement, so we'll only know when TLI actually announces something on their website. Don't hold your breath though, since it's been about 3 years since anything was updated on the site!

haha,that's true.

Though I think there is one part of the site that gets updated frequently..wait..I think it's their reasearch results page . Anway, I didn't know they were making a new one. I hope that it's less expensive..but some how I doubt that. I can lucid dream on my own so I don't really need it . But it would be interesting to try it out.

Does anyone know how the workshops turned out? I don't think I've ever head about the workshops after they were done and how they turned out on the site.

ive read about the nova dreamerbefore but im not quite shure if id buy one just yet with out more proof that it works well.

I e-mailed [email protected] for an update and Keelin replied saying

Thank you for inquiring about the NovaDreamer. We expect to be using the new model during our Dreaming & Awakening workshop this coming April (for details, please see: http://lucidity.com/daa). As soon as it's available for sale to the public, we'll be announcing it in our newsletter LUCIDITY*FLASHES and on our website. If you haven't already done so, you might want to take a moment to sign onto our mailing list at http://www.lucidity.com/MailingListForm.html

Meanwhile, we encourage you to read "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming", by Dr. Stephen LaBerge and Howard Rheingold, as it will provide a clear and accurate understanding of your dreaming mind and its wondrous potential. It will also introduce specific and effective techniques for inducing lucid dreams at will.

Wishing you the best and brightest of dreams!
Keelin
The Lucidity Institute, Program Coordinator

That's a standard format reply letter to that question, it's just the date that keeps changing

Yeah, I've also emailed The institute once in regards to a project I was doing. She answered my question, but what I found annoying was how much small hints of advertisements within the emails , like the one they emailed you.

I still have a Novadreamer that I bought oh so many years ago, I think the mask and workbook ran around three hundred bucks. I never saw any advantage to using it. For one, I found it to be quite uncomfortable and after using it for a few nights I found myself tossing it off whenever the alarm was triggered by REM.
I think the presets for alarm light and sounds were to crude and either weren’t sufficient to nudge me into lucidity or at the other extreme woke me up, which put me in a disagreeable mood.
I think a better approach would be to make a simple, non-bulky, lightweight REM sensor on the order of a pair of tanning bed goggles, and then run the connection wires to the mic and phone connectors of a PC or Laptop computer.
I don’t know squat about how to program a computer so that REM detection on the mic input could be used to trigger a pre programmed voice response in the form of perhaps a guided reminder of how to enter into the lucid state, maintain the state and as a to-do list in the dream.
The point is that interfacing with a computer opens-up a world of possibilities that a Novadreamer or the like could never match.
I am confident that I could design and build the hardware, and if anyone here has suggestions on the software side of things I feel this could be a worthy collaborative project.
What do you think?

Just received this from the Lucidity Institute:
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NovaDreamer2: The Next Generation of Lucid Dream Induction Devices


The NovaDreamer (no longer in production) is being replaced by a new,
improved version (NovaDreamer2, ND2) expected to ship later this year.
ND2 features will include interactivity (real-time response to eye
movement signals), and many improvements in comfort, reliability,
and performance--enough, we think, to make it well worth the wait.
Thank you for your patience; expect an announcement of product
pricing and ship-dates this Spring.

Prototypes of the "NovaDreamer2" will be tested at our upcoming
Dreaming and Awakening workshop, April 21-30 (see above).

If you think you are interested enough that you would probably order
one today if you could, please send an email to ND2?lucidity?com.
We will add you to a first-come first-served list of preferred
customers who will be offered the opportunity to purchase one of
the first production run of new ND2s before the general public.
We will also invite you to respond to a survey shortly.

If you wish to be notified when the ND2 becomes available,
please make sure you keep your email address current at:

<http://lucidity.com/MailingListForm.html>

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Originally Posted by Vortex

Just received this from the Lucidity Institute:
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NovaDreamer2: The Next Generation of Lucid Dream Induction Devices


The NovaDreamer (no longer in production) is being replaced by a new,
improved version (NovaDreamer2, ND2) expected to ship later this year.
ND2 features will include interactivity (real-time response to eye
movement signals), and many improvements in comfort, reliability,
and performance--enough, we think, to make it well worth the wait.
Thank you for your patience; expect an announcement of product
pricing and ship-dates this Spring.

Prototypes of the "NovaDreamer2" will be tested at our upcoming
Dreaming and Awakening workshop, April 21-30 (see above).

If you think you are interested enough that you would probably order
one today if you could, please send an email to ND2?lucidity?com.
We will add you to a first-come first-served list of preferred
customers who will be offered the opportunity to purchase one of
the first production run of new ND2s before the general public.
We will also invite you to respond to a survey shortly.

If you wish to be notified when the ND2 becomes available,
please make sure you keep your email address current at:

<http://lucidity.com/MailingListForm.html>

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yea i just got it too, finally!

For anyone interested in the full text of this and previous newsletters, I found an archive.

http://archive.mail-list.com/lucidity/