B6 supplement, does it work?

[blueblue79]

How much mg should a 12 yr old take (my sis is also interested)? Does it really work that well? Does any1 have any sucess stories behing B6?

[moe007]

Its not like a magic vitamin; you have to understand that before you ever take anything. And you cant take more than 200mg or you will start to get tingles and numbness in your extremities. Eat a tryptophan hearty meal before taking the b6 though. Start with 150mg and work up to MAX 250mg. I get vivid dreams from it most of the time, but it works by rem rebound, so you will get the dreams in the morning usually.

[westonci]

100mg should be effective for a 12 year old. I personally dont recommend more than 100mg for someone your age

[blueblue79]

ok, i have 100mg tablets that can be cut in half. one pill will work perfect i guess. some ppl are like, "i took a b6 pill for the first time and had my first LD that night!" is that avradge results or bluffing a little?

[moe007]

Saying that they got their first lucid MIGHT be correct. But that could be an over exaggeration, because b6 will only increase vividness, not your chances at lucidity.

[DigitalNinjaLee]

took B6 and it was very effective the first night, but then after that the results would REALLY vary. Make sure not to take too much or take too many days in a row. This can lead to a higher dosage to make effective. With B6 and tryptophan heavy meal, i can usually get some pretty good Vivid dreams; I have not gotten any Lucid Dreams with the B6 and tryptophan.

[unseen wombat]

It helps a lot with vividness. The first night I took 100 mg, I got lucid in the middle of the week, which is rare for me. Then I took it for 4 days in a row, and had a lot of amazingly realistic dreams. On the weekend, I succeeded at WILD, though it didn't last long, (which isn't unusual for me though). The next day, I had very little recall, so I think it may have been losing its effectiveness. In my opinion, 150 to 250 mg is way too much. 50 to 100 is more appropriate.

[Twoshadows]

I will sometimes take B6. I usually take it right after I wake up when doing a WBTB. I then stay away for maybe an hour. I feel like it increases my chances in having a lucid dream. I can't give an exact number, but I would say that I have an LD doing this over 50% of the times I try. I take 50 -100mg when I do this. For a 12 year old I would start out with a low amount. And, BTW, I only do this about once a week.

[moe007]

I will sometimes take B6. I usually take it right after I wake up when doing a WBTB. I then stay away for maybe an hour. I feel like it increases my chances in having a lucid dream. I can't give an exact number, but I would say that I have an LD doing this over 50% of the times I try. I take 50 -100mg when I do this. For a 12 year old I would start out with a low amount. And, BTW, I only do this about once a week. Actually, sorry to ruin the placebo for you... But it only works when you take it BEFORE bed. Because it works by converting tryptophan into serotonin, giving you REM- Rebound effects in the morning hours, leading to the vividness and good recall. If you take it at the time of WBTB, you are telling your brain to go back to non-REM sleep, when you just woke up from non-REM, and should be in heavy REM sleep.

[Twoshadows]

Actually, sorry to ruin the placebo for you... But it only works when you take it BEFORE bed. Because it works by converting tryptophan into serotonin, giving you REM- Rebound effects in the morning hours, leading to the vividness and good recall. If you take it at the time of WBTB, you are telling your brain to go back to non-REM sleep, when you just woke up from non-REM, and should be in heavy REM sleep. Well, it was a very good placebo..... So how many hours after taking it would you get the rebound effect. Could it still help with a WBTB? It's funny, because on the nights I have tried it before bed, I felt I got no difference. But when I took it before the WBTB. I had great dreams. I felt the B6 was doing something. I guess it is really just the WBTB itself and not the B6 that I have such luck with.

[moe007]

I usually take 50-200mg of b6 about 30 mins before bed, and i either do a WBTB, or i dont. Both ways, ill get vivid dreams in the morning

[Twoshadows]

I usually take 50-200mg of b6 about 30 mins before bed, and i either do a WBTB, or i dont. Both ways, ill get vivid dreams in the morning Well, maybe I'll give that a try and see if I can get that to work for me.

[ninja9578]

Always.

[unseen wombat]

I find that I get better results during a WBTB. I feel more awake and energized after the B6 kicks in. If it's a placebo, it's damn convincing. However, last week when I took it with Galantamine, I didn't succeed at WILD like the day before, even though everything else was the same. For Galantamine nights I'm going to take it before bed to increase vividness. Other nights, I'll probably continue to take it at WBTB.

[Firewalker]

Actually, sorry to ruin the placebo for you... But it only works when you take it BEFORE bed. Because it works by converting tryptophan into serotonin, giving you REM- Rebound effects in the morning hours, leading to the vividness and good recall. If you take it at the time of WBTB, you are telling your brain to go back to non-REM sleep, when you just woke up from non-REM, and should be in heavy REM sleep. Actually B6 is also used in converting Tyrosine into Dopamine as well, which helps dreams and this is likely why it works on WBTB. I purchased a bottle of N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine and it includes B6 which it says is necessary to convert the Tyrosine into Dopamine and Norepinehrine, which is also likely why some people have a hard time falling to sleep after taking B6. B6 is used in producing many neurotransmitters, Serotonin is just one, of them. I did have a vivid dream after taking the Tyrosine, but I just took a nap, I haven't tried it at bedtime, or after waking in a WBTB, this could potentially work better than B6 though as it seems to me B6 is likely working for people in two ways, one it could as you suggest convert Tryptophan into Serotonin, though just taking 5-HTP in my opinion, and experience is much better for Serotonin production, and REM rebound, and it can also aid in the conversion of Tyosine into Dopamine and Norepinephrine. My N-Aceytl L-Tyrosine contains 25 mg of B6, I think I will try this at bedtime and next with a WBTB and see how it works.

[Robot_Butler]

For some reason, B6 makes it very difficult for me to fall back to sleep. I hvae had some success with it. Both vivid dreams that become lucid and extra intense hypnagogia.

[Firewalker]

For some reason, B6 makes it very difficult for me to fall back to sleep. I hvae had some success with it. Both vivid dreams that become lucid and extra intense hypnagogia. I have tried both 50mg and 100mg at Bedtime, with the 100 I slept very bad all night, didn't recall anything, I have good recall on 50 mg but probably no better than normal, I usually remember at least a couple of dreams a night. But I still have hopes for B6. The 100mg made sleep difficult, and this could be good for lucid dreams if you sleep lighter you are closer to conciousness. This is also likely why it works well for many people taking B6 after sleeping several hours. B6 is used to make Serotonin which helps you sleep sounder but is also used to make Dopamine and Norepinephrine. It probably depends partly upon which amino acids are in greatest concentrations in your system at the time, If you eat a lot of Tryptophan rich foods you may get a calming, sleepy effect from B6, if you eat a lot of Tyrosine rich foods you may be stimulated, but this can also be good, according to the "Advanced Lucid Dreaming" book Dopamine may be required for dreaming to occur in the first place. I am going to try B6 again in higher doses and see how it effects me.

[psychology student]

through repetitive experimentation I have found that 100mg works as well as anything. I have also found that it does not improve lucidity but dream vividness. Although, it may be diferent for others.

[ninja9578]

There are no chemicals that can induce lucidity, it's impossible since lucidity is not a result of chemicals. The added vividness is what increases chances of lucid dreams.

[Firewalker]

I took 200mg about 45 minutes before bed, and also ate a piece of chocolate cake and a piece of cheese. I woke up after about 4 1/2 hours of sleep, remembered 3 dreams, (non-lucid), tried the MILD method and fell back to sleep, I soon had a lucid dream. I was in my kitchen, it was day time, for some reason I just thought I might be dreaming, then I decided to go onto my deck. The patio doors didn't have any handles on them. When I saw this I was almost sure I was dreaming, I managed to slide the doors open, and went onto the deck. I thought to myself if I am dreaming, I will be able to float in the air. I slowly rose off the deck and knew I was dreaming, I floated over my house, and went down on the other side. Then I woke up. It wasn't a long lucid but at least it was one, and I recalled 4 dreams that night. It may or may not be a placebo, but I can say I had better success with B6 than I have had with Galantamine. I feel eating something when you take the B6 helps to, as B6 helps make neurotransmitters, you also need to have some amino acids in your system, since I woke after about 4 1/2 hours I feel in this case I probably had a lot of Tryptophan in my body, since this is what usually happens when I take 5-HTP, however perhaps the B6 also stimulated dopamine production as well as it converts Tyrosine.

[Firewalker]

I tried 200mg again Friday night and it worked. I had been planning to try Tyrosine, which I did Saturday instead, and took the 200mg B6 about an 45 minutes before bed. I slept for several hours, woke up went to the restroom, returned to bed, did the MILD method, I am really beginning to like this method, and went back to sleep, I was soon dreaming that I decided to try taking the Tyrosine before falling back to sleep. I got the bottle of Tyrosine out of the drawer, and the label said N-Glycerine. I knew this was not right and immediately decided I was dreaming, then I woke up and felt as if I floated slightly out of my body. I knew I was in my dream or astral body, and jumped out of bed and went into the living room. I tried to walk through the door but couldn't, I was getting frustrated because I couldn't get out of the house, and was basically ramming myself into the door, I then thought of opening it, because if it was a dream I could open the door, but I woke up in my body. I'm not sure if I am really going out of my body or not, I usually tell myself it is just a dream while I am doing it. Saturday I tried the Tyrosine, I put this on a post about the topic, and last night I tried B6 again, though at 100mg, I didn't have any lucid dreams last night.

[Firewalker]

I have continued to experiement with B6 a few more times, out of three more trys, (since last posted on topic) of 200mg it has worked once more for a brief OBE type experience in which I floated out of my body to the ceiling and was pulled back into my body laying on the bed, the neat part of this was my eyes were closed when it started, I gained vision on the floating out and kept it all the way till when I felt I returned to my body, and my eyes were open when I returned, there was absolutely no break in consciousness, and for some reason my physical eyes were opened when I returned. Anyway so far 200mg before bed has now worked I think 4 out of 6 nights I have tried, better than anything else I have tried, and even when I don't have lucids, I have extremely vivid non-lucid dreams, and usually recall several dreams a night, and the memory of many of them stays with me. B6 is awesome, but I have found it takes 200mg for me, 50 or 100 do not help my dreams at all, though they might if I tried them at WBTB, so far I have only tried them at bedtime. I still have several experiements to try for B6, I plan to try 250 and 300mg at bedtime, and various doses upon WBTB. I do not recommend anyone try these doses, especially children, and anyone who does should be aware there may be side effects, for me I feel it is probably safe. I also always eat something, usually something chocolate, and a glass of milk before I take the B6, this may be important as well. Though I know it is not just eating before bed that causes the dreams, because it doesn't do it without the B6. But it may be the combination. Plus it keeps the vitamin from upsetting my stomach.

[moe007]

I have continued to experiement with B6 a few more times, out of three more trys, (since last posted on topic) of 200mg it has worked once more for a brief OBE type experience in which I floated out of my body to the ceiling and was pulled back into my body laying on the bed, the neat part of this was my eyes were closed when it started, I gained vision on the floating out and kept it all the way till when I felt I returned to my body, and my eyes were open when I returned, there was absolutely no break in consciousness, and for some reason my physical eyes were opened when I returned. Anyway so far 200mg before bed has now worked I think 4 out of 6 nights I have tried, better than anything else I have tried, and even when I don't have lucids, I have extremely vivid non-lucid dreams, and usually recall several dreams a night, and the memory of many of them stays with me. B6 is awesome, but I have found it takes 200mg for me, 50 or 100 do not help my dreams at all, though they might if I tried them at WBTB, so far I have only tried them at bedtime. I still have several experiements to try for B6, I plan to try 250 and 300mg at bedtime, and various doses upon WBTB. I do not recommend anyone try these doses, especially children, and anyone who does should be aware there may be side effects, for me I feel it is probably safe. I also always eat something, usually something chocolate, and a glass of milk before I take the B6, this may be important as well. Though I know it is not just eating before bed that causes the dreams, because it doesn't do it without the B6. But it may be the combination. Plus it keeps the vitamin from upsetting my stomach. If all your trails included the milk and chocolate than your experiment is not very accurate because milk and chocolate contain tryptophan and dopamine respectively. Tryptophan + vitamin b6 = increase in serotonin, therefore you will have REM-Rebound effects; which will give you the vivid dreams and good recall. The dopamine will add to the vividness, and add to your emotions during your dream, as well as your confidence levels during any lucid dreams or during your OBEs.

[Firewalker]

If all your trails included the milk and chocolate than your experiment is not very accurate because milk and chocolate contain tryptophan and dopamine respectively. Tryptophan + vitamin b6 = increase in serotonin, therefore you will have REM-Rebound effects; which will give you the vivid dreams and good recall. The dopamine will add to the vividness, and add to your emotions during your dream, as well as your confidence levels during any lucid dreams or during your OBEs. I agree with you, but it is my point that you probably need to eat something with the B6 for it to work, I'm not sure though, because I've only tried lower doses without eating, but I want the B6 to boost my Serotonin and dopamine levels. I feel it is doing both, I think it boosts the Serotonin first, which allows deeper sleep and REM rebound, although I do have dreams sooner than I do on 5-HTP which also does the same thing, because I have woke up after only a few hours and remembered vivid dreams. Then I feel it probably boosts dopamine levels as well as who knows what else, I do know I usually have extremely vivid dreams and it has helped me get lucid. 5-HTP also sometimes gives me vivid dreams, but it has never helped me have lucid dreams.

[Trapped]

well i was curious about whether or not it helped, the multivitamin i take has 8mg of b6 and so i stopped taking it for a week and my successfulness dropped nearly in half of when i was taking the multivitamin so it works for me