Thread: Apple Juice = Vivid dream?

Does it help me if I take it before sleep, not for WBTB ?

i doubt it, most of your NREM is in the first half of the night. So better to take it during WBTB

According to the article abstract Acetylcholine levels were improved because of antioxidants. It suggests that antioxidants found in fruit and vegetables get digested better than antioxidant supplements. The study was funded by the U.S. Apple Association and the Apple Products Research and Education Council, so no wonder they tested apples, even though they are fruits and vegetables with more antioxidants than apples.

A quick google search for antioxidant rich fruits revealed these lists:
http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/top...icle16245.html
Fruits
1. Prunes
2. Raisins
3. Blueberries
4. Blackberries
5. Strawberries
6. Raspberries
7. Plums
8. Oranges
9. Red grapes
10. Cherries


Vegetables
1. Kale
2. Spinach
3. Brussels sprouts
4. Alfalfa sprouts
5. Broccoli flowers
6. Beets
7. Red bell peppers
8. Onions
9. Corn
10. Eggplant

http://drbenkim.com/articles-antioxidants.html
Rank Food Serving Size Antioxidant Capacity per Serving
1 Small red beans, dried 1/2 cup 13727
2 Wild blueberries 1 cup 13427
3 Red kidney beans, dried 1/2 cup 13259
4 Pinto beans 1/2 cup 11864
5 Blueberries, cultivated 1 cup 9019
6 Cranberries 1 cup 8983
7 Artichoke hearts, cooked 1 cup 7904
8 Blackberries 1 cup 7701
9 Dried prunes 1/2 cup 7291
10 Raspberries 1 cup 6058
11 Strawberries 1 cup 5938
12 Red delicious apple One 5900
13 Granny Smith apple One 5381
14 Pecans 1 ounce 5095
15 Sweet cherries 1 cup 4873
16 Black plum One 4844
17 Russet potato, cooked One 4649
18 Black beans 1/2 cup 4181
19 Plum One 4118
20 Gala apple One 3903

It seems that among fruit, berries are especially rich in antioxidants. I suggest that in addition to apples we try them and see if they affect dream vividness and lucidity.

Apple Juice is yummy though

Originally Posted by Clairity

Just fyi.. I took two ginseng capsules with a cup of apple juice at 4 am and had two very vivid and recallable dreams (details can be found in my dream journal).

Hopefully my ginseng order will arrive in the mail today...I'm looking forward to trying this.

MindVoyager, and anyone else interested in trying ginseng, it would be best to get pure Panax ginseng if you can.

I got my ginseng at a local GNC store: http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2134129&cp=&sr=1&origkw=ginsen g&kw=ginseng&parentPage=search

I'm sorry I didn't think to provide the ginseng info in my earlier posting.

Originally Posted by Clairity

I'm sorry I didn't think to provide the ginseng info in my earlier posting.

Clairity,

Thanks. You had posted that info in another conversation with T. Yuschak. I had ordered the Panax Ginseng (although from a different producer: Source Naturals) based on that info. Regards.

Originally Posted by MindVoyager

Clairity,

Thanks. You had posted that info in another conversation with T. Yuschak. I had ordered the Panax Ginseng (although from a different producer: Source Naturals) based on that info. Regards.

Oh good.. I'm glad!

I'll definitely give it a try. I love apple juice!

Originally Posted by Clairity

Ok, I got some apple juice.. I actually got Gerber (baby) Apple Juice because it's made from freshly pressed apples and not a concentrate!

Have you ever tried the Simply Juices? They have a Simply Apple Juice. It's pure pressed, and not from concentrate (I don't like buying juices made from concentrate).

Originally Posted by dodobird

According to the article abstract Acetylcholine levels were improved because of antioxidants. It suggests that antioxidants found in fruit and vegetables get digested better than antioxidant supplements. The study was funded by the U.S. Apple Association and the Apple Products Research and Education Council, so no wonder they tested apples, even though they are fruits and vegetables with more antioxidants than apples.

Edit: Doesn't green tea have a whole lot of antioxidants? If antioxidants cause vivid dreams, I would try a cup of green tea after a wbtb.

I wonder if I ate an apple during a wbtb would it have the same effects?
Lots of apples but no apple juice
No harm in trying I guess.

Since I have no apple juice I will try green tea tonight and post my results.

Originally Posted by Misbijoux

Have you ever tried the Simply Juices? They have a Simply Apple Juice. It's pure pressed, and not from concentrate (I don't like buying juices made from concentrate).

I don't like juices from concentrates either.. thanks for letting me know about Simply Apple Juice!

I'm no expert, but I think it's safe to assume that it's the vitamin B6 in the apple juice that helps with dream vividness. My guess is that instead of pills with huge amounts, it's a moderated amount, which is good for healthy vividness in dreams?

I can confirm that apple juice may just work when it is taken just before bed. Last night I drank an 8oz glass at 11:30, but didn't get to sleep until at least 2:30. I took a sleeping pill designed to last 4 hours. I had the first lucid dream where I was able to control my actions, although to be fair, it was about 3 seconds of feeling the table in front of me to keep that lucidity.

I don't remember most of that dream, but I know that at the very end of it, I was lucid very briefly before my own excitement woke me up, heart pounding. The clock read 8:00. That was about 5.5 hours in, or 90 minutes past the sleeping pill wearing off.

It's hardly conclusive evidence of the apple juice working, considering it was an isolated incident, but I thought it might be worth mentioning, especially because it was the first LD I've had in years.

P.S.

I was drinking Treetop brand apple juice from concentrate.

Dang , I HATE apple juice =( but drinking a Energy drink right before I fall asleep ALWAYS gives me amazing dreams.

Originally Posted by Zackk

Edit: Doesn't green tea have a whole lot of antioxidants? If antioxidants cause vivid dreams, I would try a cup of green tea after a wbtb.

I wonder if I ate an apple during a wbtb would it have the same effects?
Lots of apples but no apple juice
No harm in trying I guess.

Since I have no apple juice I will try green tea tonight and post my results.

According to the article apples are as effective as apple juice. they are certainly healthier. Two apples are recommended there for good antioxidant effect.

Originally Posted by dodobird

According to the article apples are as effective as apple juice. they are certainly healthier. Two apples are recommended there for good antioxidant effect.

Galantamine inhibits the enzyme that breaks down acetylcholine right?

Apple juice produces more acetylcholine in th brain.

So do they have the same effect?

Originally Posted by I H8 Reality

Galantamine inhibits the enzyme that breaks down acetylcholine right?

Apple juice produces more acetylcholine in th brain.

So do they have the same effect?

If I understood correctly the article abstract, apples do not increase acetylcholine levels, but help in improving memory and cognitive functioning by defending the brain against free radicals.
So no, they do not have the same effect.

Originally Posted by dodobird

If I understood correctly the article abstract, apples do not increase acetylcholine levels, but help in improving memory and cognitive functioning by defending the brain against free radicals.
So no, they do not have the same effect.

"Animal research from the University of Massachusetts Lowell (UML) indicates that apple juice consumption may actually increase the production in the brain of the essential neurotransmitter acetylcholine, resulting in improved memory".

We just happen to have a ton of apple juice boxes that have been sitting in our fridge. I'll give it a shot tonight.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

We just happen to have a ton of apple juice boxes that have been sitting in our fridge. I'll give it a shot tonight.

Drink two cartons at once.

Originally Posted by harvey123456

"Animal research from the University of Massachusetts Lowell (UML) indicates that apple juice consumption may actually increase the production in the brain of the essential neurotransmitter acetylcholine, resulting in improved memory".

The article that refernece the reasearch is misleading.
According to the original article abstract, they gave the mice a poor diet, designed to reduce acetylcholine levels by process of oxidation.
The mice that were given apples, showed less acetylcholine reduction because the antioxidants prevented some of the oxidation damage.

So what this research say is that on mice antioxidants are effective in preventing oxidation and cognitive damage when an oxidation prone diet is consumed.

So it should not affect acetylcholine levels unless you eat a very bad diet, in which case it may help reduce damage to the cognitive functioning.

That said, I'm curious as anybody here to hear more reports on whether the apples affect vivid dreams and lucidity.

My time at DV has proved to me that eating any delicious food during a WBTB will give me vivid dreams. Tasty, nutritious placebos.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

My time at DV has proved to me that eating any delicious food during a WBTB will give me vivid dreams. Tasty, nutritious placebos.

On that thought, I hear doughnuts cause a Dopaminergic surge in the brain.

Originally Posted by Clairity

Just fyi.. I took two ginseng capsules with a cup of apple juice at 4 am and had two very vivid and recallable dreams (details can be found in my dream journal).

So far apple juice is definately something I'm going to continue to experiment with!

Ginseng ey? thats like herbal viagra for men I duno if i wana try that but seing as most guys wake up pitching a tent, i dont see what the problem could be