opium as a lucid aid

[dreamnoob]

I've heard about this for a couple different sources now. anyone know if theres any truth in this or has tested it?

[Shift]

I've heard about this for a couple different sources now. anyone know if theres any truth in this or has tested it?

[dreamnoob]

I dont see what's wrong with that as a question seeing as alot of drugs stimulate the mind especially physcadelics Ive also heard of them making dreams vivid does anyone know anything about this?

[O'nus]

In my database search of PsychINFO and PsychBOOKS, I could not find any sources directly demonstrating the relationship between opium and dreams. ~

[SKA]

I dont see what's wrong with that as a question seeing as alot of drugs stimulate the mind especially physcadelics Ive also heard of them making dreams vivid does anyone know anything about this? But Opium is not a Psychedelic. I too have hard that Opium makes people dream magnificantly clear and detailed dreams. However considering how addictive Opium is it is not a Lucid aid one could often use. Perhaps maximally every 3 to 4 months or so.

[moe007]

Opium, or opiates? I do not think it would be easy to obtain opium in its pure form. On the other hand, some pain medication contain a fair amount of an opiate in them, which is an opium derivative. I have found the opiates tend to make me unable to fall asleep, so I would be curious to find out how you would use them to induce a lucid dream. They also tend to wipe out recall, unless a very small dose is used.

[dreamnoob]

I'm pretty sure its opiates not opium but who knows maybe both Oh i guess my title is wrong because I dont think it induces lucid dreams just detailed vivid ones. ClouD: Please keep posts free of suggestions on how, when, etc, to take drugs.

[pllplp]

i have smoked opium a couple of times and it really really did help. I had like 3-4 lucid dreams a night for about a week afterwards.

[Dudley]

In my experiences opiate containing pills keep me up all night.. Opium on the other hand will put you out.. I don't think it will help with dreams as it will cause recall loss.. But my suggestion is not to use it either for sleeping or dreaming.. It's a very addictive drug and should be used with caution.. But it's your world i'm just living in it...

[Brandon Heat]

From my experience Opiates are in no way a useful dreaming tool. First off there is the very intense addictive properties of Opiates. So much so addictive it's rather ridiculous. So in my advice I would suggest you shy away from using this as a lucid aid by all means. Second off opiates usually do 1 thing they TKO you after a bit ever been so tired that a straight line looks like it branches off in 20 sections? Well then... as for the sleep on opiates it's pretty much a dead sleep with nothing going on. Not much in the area of dream recall expcept for maybe a few pieces here in there nothing much to go off. TO SHORTEN UP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ. Don't use it as a lucid aid there are much better alternatives.

[SKA]

Opium, or opiates? I do not think it would be easy to obtain opium in its pure form. On the other hand, some pain medication contain a fair amount of an opiate in them, which is an opium derivative. I have found the opiates tend to make me unable to fall asleep, so I would be curious to find out how you would use them to induce a lucid dream. They also tend to wipe out recall, unless a very small dose is used. Raw opium is very easy to obtain and I don't know how hard it is to purify, but I don't think it should be that hard. Solvents such as Ether, Lye-water solution, acidic watersolutions can probably be used to seperate the opium-alkaloids from the impurity; mostly plant oils Also I took 1 opiate sleeping pill last night, to try and make an end to 2 months of sleepdeprivation due to Insomnia. And Allthough this Opiate is very sedative and extremely powerfull ( Midazolam ), I awoke about 3 times last night and woke up this morning with very clear memory of very vivid dreams. That while my DreamRecall has been pretty much inexistant the last 2 years or so. I was also ill, flu-ish, so that may have been a factor too.

[moe007]

Raw opium is very easy to obtain and I don't know how hard it is to purify, but I don't think it should be that hard. Solvents such as Ether, Lye-water solution, acidic watersolutions can probably be used to seperate the opium-alkaloids from the impurity; mostly plant oils Also I took 1 opiate sleeping pill last night, to try and make an end to 2 months of sleepdeprivation due to Insomnia. And Allthough this Opiate is very sedative and extremely powerfull ( Midazolam ), I awoke about 3 times last night and woke up this morning with very clear memory of very vivid dreams. That while my DreamRecall has been pretty much inexistant the last 2 years or so. I was also ill, flu-ish, so that may have been a factor too. Midazolam is not an opiate, it is a benzodiazepine, a rather strong one too. Taking midzolam for lucid-aid is as dangerous as taking heavy opiates. Benzodiazepines are very highly addictive, psychologically, and physically. I would stay away from them unless you really know what you are doing.

[SKA]

Midazolam is not an opiate, it is a benzodiazepine, a rather strong one too. Taking midzolam for lucid-aid is as dangerous as taking heavy opiates. Benzodiazepines are very highly addictive, psychologically, and physically. I would stay away from them unless you really know what you are doing. But I am taking Midazolam for Insomnia. Severe insomnia I have pretty much every winter. Actually I never take it unless Insomnia is driving me to go insane, literally insane. To turn the tide. I was prescribed this without warning of it's addictive potential, so good thing this boy does his homework.

[The Cusp]

I'm really getting tired of people who think you can get lucid by taking some kind of pill. As long as you have that attitude, you're always going to suck at lucid dreaming. It's a mental discipline, and there is no magic substance that's going to help.

[SKA]

I'm tired of intolerance towards and judgement/condemning of others. If that is your take on it Cusp, and it works for you; fine. But don't be so harsh in your judgement of others who don't share your view on this. Tolerance. I myself know that certain substances and herbs can really help enhancing the vividness of one's dreams. More vivid dreams are dreams in which we are more likely to become lucid due to the higher than average awareness. It's not a freeticket to a lucid dream, but create the favorable condition for Lucidity to be attained in. Using psycho-active herbs/substances has also been well known to work Oneirogenic for many other people. So it's not up for discussion wether or not Herbs or substances can help/facilitate lucid dreaming.

[O'nus]

I'm tired of intolerance towards and judgement/condemning of others. If that is your take on it Cusp, and it works for you; fine. But don't be so harsh in your judgement of others who don't share your view on this. Tolerance. Do you advocate that drugs is a better method than discipline? Or that it is a good starting point to develop will? Perhaps that it simply helps to interact the two? ~

[moe007]

good thing this boy does his homework. Mind you, I could rewrite the Physicians Desk Reference from memory.

[Dudley]

I'm really getting tired of people who think you can get lucid by taking some kind of pill. As long as you have that attitude, you're always going to suck at lucid dreaming. It's a mental discipline, and there is no magic substance that's going to help. If you're just going to rant at us out about how our techniques don't work for you.... Respect our way of doing things.. Maybe they don't work.. maybe they do... Nobody chose you to decide for us so just chill out man.. And by the way.. Many "pills" Help me attain lucidity... With a capitol H... Now discipline plays a large role in it as well but, taking a pill every now and again never ceases to amaze me... Me and only me knows the effect of drugs on me and my dreams..

[SKA]

Do you advocate that drugs is a better method than discipline? Or that it is a good starting point to develop will? Perhaps that it simply helps to interact the two? ~ I'm not here to advocate anything at all. I'm here to discuss the ability of psychoactive plants in helping us achieve lucidity. I didn't enter here for a moral discussion.

[O'nus]

I'm not here to advocate anything at all. I'm here to discuss the ability of psychoactive plants in helping us achieve lucidity. I didn't enter here for a moral discussion. I was curious what your stance is. It would help support your last statement. ~

[SKA]

I was curious what your stance is. It would help support your last statement. ~ Alright. In short my stance on drugs/herbs & dreaming is One shouldn't become reliant on external help to lucid dream, But if one is having a huge dryspell, Lack of DreamRecall I don't think it's wrong to make use of a low dose psychedelic, or other dream enhancing drug/herb to turn the tide. Also lucid dreaming is a very, very special, enlightening, high consciousness state of mind, as is the psychedelic mindstate, so interacting these 2 mindstates is in my eyes very interresting and they might( and do seem to) complement eachother. There's nothing wrong with it. The only thing I'd say is wrong would be to take drugs/herbs as a substitute way for mental Focus and Discipline; There is no substitute for this. Also Drugs/Herbs that are truely addictive, do significant amounts of physical damage or put one in a Delirious state (like high doses Datura) are in my eyes generally considered "wrong", yet at times experimenting with taking 3 Datura seeds before bedtime, or a tiny tiny mushroom, or a tiny bit of acid before bedtime.. There's nothing wrong with it in my eyes. And I'm not advocating anything to anyone, I'm just curious about the effects of some drugs/herbs on Dreaming. And there are quite a nuber of people round here that are no strangers to mushrooms and acid. And with these people I hope to investigate the possibilities of interacting the Psychedelic experience with Dreaming. When people hit the Taboo-ed Issue "Drugs" some will react by seeing problems where others, like me, see possibilities. It's not like I see no problems in using drugs, especially when you speak of Opium. As you can see in my first post in this Topic I discourage frequent use of opium as it is highly addictive. In this case the risks outweigh the benefits. However alot of drugs have been feared and loathed by the masses while in reality they are not at all risky or even harmfull drugs. Acid, shrooms, mescaline(cacti), even something as strong as DMT.. these are all extremely low risk drugs with extremely potent effects. There are some risks but even they can be covered by good supervision of guidance of a trusted, responsible person.

[MrFantasy]

All I know is Samuel Taylor Coleridge wrote his most famous poem, Kubla Khan, whilst in an opium induced dream. He lost the second half of it because someone knocked on his door and disturbed him.