Beta Rem Frequency ?

[gaarav gosal]

so i just read on the main dreamview site that beta frequency is when one is in REM sleep so what if i make a binaural brainwave that first goes from alpha do deep delta sleep in like 30 minutes and then play a beta greater then 12 freqency mp3 while im asleep will i be in REM sleep and pretty aware (lucid) ? all comments are very appreciated Thnk u

[night_watcher]

I think I understand what you want to do: stimulate your brain by playing different frequencies to induce different parts of sleep? Interesting idea, I don't think it would work to LD because even if it did work perfectly, it would be like you are in REM naturally, so you would still have to DILD. I think. But you won't really know unless you try it.

[Shift]

Isn't this the purpose of the binaural beats for lucid dreams? There are some of these floating around. Just because you are in REM doesn't mean you're lucid.

[slash112]

[QUOTE=Shift;1009838]Isn't this the purpose of the binaural beats for lucid dreams?QUOTE] yep. ninja has made tons.

[BlueFly]

so i just read on the main dreamview site that beta frequency is when one is in REM sleep so what if i make a binaural brainwave that first goes from alpha do deep delta sleep in like 30 minutes and then play a beta greater then 12 freqency mp3 while im asleep will i be in REM sleep and pretty aware (lucid) ? all comments are very appreciated Thnk u Where do you hear delta? I hear 3hz and some low Theta wave hz is supposed to help lucid dreams. But I also hear your supposed to switch from your normal day waves (12hz) to your sleeping waves (3hz) about every 5 mins here: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ead.php?t=1519. But I honestly don't know what to believe since there's no real reliable source around..

[Timeless08]

When you fall alseep you fall from beta to alpha to theta to delta, then back up to theta and a brainwave state that closly matches beta or your prom waking state. There have been many cds published that have stated to increase your lucid dreaming abality, but weather they work or not I wouldnt know, I have only used the ones that I have created. I have tested brainwave states using various programs, from theata constant all night to bursts of beta and gamma. The idea as I have understood why people whoose to induce beta or other higher brainwave states while you are sleeping is because these higher states are linked with alertness, and we all know that the more alert of your surroundings you are inside a dream the more likely you are to go lucid. I did not find the programs I wrote very useful because I find it very hard to sleep noramly and with the addtion of other sounds it makes it near impossible. I have created traks to put me to sleep then to burst beta when I gues I would be around rem but that is hard to judge, depending on how long it takes me to actually drift to sleep. What we really need is a cue device, much like the nova dreamer used to be that detects your rem period, once the sensors pick up rem it hits up a breainwave track with burts of beta possible gamma aiming to increase awareness of the dream while remainging at a level not to high so as to keep you asleep. Worj would have to be conducted before sleep to insure that the brain was ready and aware that this would occour and if it would then the chances of lucid dreaming would increase. Much like the basic mild tehcs just with the additon of technology. If you want to try any of this out there are programs out there that you can download for free to muck around with , but be warned, this does effect your mind and a lot of what you can do without knowing may have adverse effects, read up before playing

[paragon]

I don't think it would work to LD because even if it did work perfectly, it would be like you are in REM naturally, so you would still have to DILD. I think. But you won't really know unless you try it. That's always been my problem with the concept too, though I've been experimenting lately and I've noticed that it does help one to become more aware, thus increasing the chances of DILD. I suppose the reason is because even when we are in REM, there are still differing frequencies. If we can get it as high as possible, and combine that with reality checks and the intention to recognise when we are dreaming, it may help us to become lucid.

[BlueFly]

My theory is using binaural beats can make you enter REM faster... That's basically their only use I think.

[paragon]

I doubt that; the body is pretty set in its way when it comes to doing whatever it considers necessary in terms of sleep (even though it's frequently wrong!) I can't see that that would be any use for LDing anyway...

[BlueFly]

I doubt that; the body is pretty set in its way when it comes to doing whatever it considers necessary in terms of sleep (even though it's frequently wrong!) I can't see that that would be any use for LDing anyway... Well, instead of having your brain waves naturally reach 3hz, you could just put it at 3hz right before you fall asleep.. I think that could bring REM faster? Which would help with LD's because REM dreams seem to be bizarre so you'd most likely find something out of place and become lucid.

[paragon]

I really don't think it would bring REM any sooner, but you could just do a WBTB and get that effect. On Friday night I had what felt like the beginning of an oobie and a lucid in which I tried to pull myself out of a mirror, using the 'Deep Theta' preset from the BWGen website.

[Firewalker]

I have WILDed from Hemi sync Meditation CD. Not exactly sure the brainwaves at the time, but I would guess theta. It is suppossed to put you in deep meditation. I also just purchased a BMV Lucid Cycles CD that brings you into theta and delta and has bursts of Gamma wave patterns to hopefully wake you up in a dream. I feel this would likely work well for using at night. I also purchased a Astral Trance CD from BMV. I feel that for WILDs you would probably need to go into the theta state while remaining mind awake. Bursting into Beta or Gamma would likely work if you are already asleep though. The BMV Lucid Cycles is designed to be played at night while sleeping, and looped over and over.

[paragon]

Going quickly into beta would just wake me up. And I don't see how anyone could possibly remain asleep in gamma ... Most people don't even go into gamma whilst awake.

[Firewalker]

Going quickly into beta would just wake me up. And I don't see how anyone could possibly remain asleep in gamma ... Most people don't even go into gamma whilst awake. I'm not having much luck with the lucid cycle CD, I haven't been able to go to sleep playing it so I haven't been able to play it all night. I've had better luck with the Hemi sync Meditation CD which I suspect takes you into Theta brain waves. I also have gone into sleep paralysis with the Astral Trance CD playing it in the morning, though not yet into a WILD or OBE with it. It is a guided CD which has a relaxation part that probably lasts about 30min, the entire CD is over an hour. I like the relaxation part the best. I also ordered a BMV theta brainwave CD, haven't received it yet. I also beleive that going into deeper states is better, of all the times I've WILDed I was extremely relaxed, in a deep state of conciousness. I really believe theta brain waves are best. But perhaps to wake up in a dream if you could have beta or gamma bursts combined with theta after you are already asleep that might work to wake you up in a dream, if it didn't just wake you up really.

[paragon]

If by 'bursts' you mean short sections of beta and gamma, I don't see how it would work. You are meant to slowly raise the frequency from where the brain currently is to allow it time to entrain to the frequencies. A short section of a very different frequency wouldn't do anything.

[Firewalker]

If by 'bursts' you mean short sections of beta and gamma, I don't see how it would work. You are meant to slowly raise the frequency from where the brain currently is to allow it time to entrain to the frequencies. A short section of a very different frequency wouldn't do anything. Yeah, I'm not sure if its short bursts or not, it says something like it takes you into theta and delta with beta and gamma. It is hard to go to sleep listening to it, I haven't been able to yet. I did see some very intense bright white light behind my eyelids while listening to it. I don't know if this was HI or what. I played the 4th track and after a while a voice says check and see if you are dreaming, you are aware. But I was not asleep at the time, so it did no good. If you could fall to sleep listening to it then perhaps it would help. Mabie I need to try taking about 1000mg of Valerian and listen to it. It also might work better if you put it on after sleeping a few hours, I have tried this, but couldn't go back to sleep listening to it. I bought it on Amazon, if your curious about it, they also have their own website, google Brainwave Mind Voyages. I haven't yet had the success I hoped for with either of their CDs but I still hope they will help, the Astral Trance one seems better for me, as at least I can get into sleep paralysis with it.