Thread: REM DReamer works! Sort Of...

Mike, in your previous outings with the REMdreamer in which ways did the light appear in your dreams? I've heard from some it appeared as police sirens, a bright red sun and a flashlight. I guess the brain does it's best with the visual input to make the image more plausible?

Hey, how does the 2-Way communication work? What can you tell the REM-Dreamer when you are lucid? Do you sort of use it just to tell the thing to stop flashing at you once you are lucid?

I ordered one of these the other day. I plan to have some lucids under my belt before I start using it, it's just something I'd really like to experiment with though.

When you ordered it, did you get an acknowledgment when it has been shipped or anything? I ordered mine a few days ago, and haven't heard anything. I'm keen to know when I will be getting it.

Originally Posted by .Val.

Hey, how does the 2-Way communication work? What can you tell the REM-Dreamer when you are lucid? Do you sort of use it just to tell the thing to stop flashing at you once you are lucid?

I ordered one of these the other day. I plan to have some lucids under my belt before I start using it, it's just something I'd really like to experiment with though.

When you ordered it, did you get an acknowledgment when it has been shipped or anything? I ordered mine a few days ago, and haven't heard anything. I'm keen to know when I will be getting it.

The 2WC works quite well. When the REM DREAMER starts cueing you just move your eyes up and down and it stops. It works well.

You get a couple of basic settings - low thru high. The Low setting just uses series of flashes in increasing intensity. The high setting uses both beeps and flashes. The medium setting starts with just flashing and then adds beeps iin the later series of cues.

The only thing I dont like about the 2WC is that it overides your normal settings for number of flashes/beeps. I like long sequences of cues - at least 20 seconds. The 2WC feature ignores your settings for cue lengths, brightness, number of flashes a second, etc. I hope in future versions the TWC version will be customizeable.

Originally Posted by Denny22

Mike, in your previous outings with the REMdreamer in which ways did the light appear in your dreams? I've heard from some it appeared as police sirens, a bright red sun and a flashlight. I guess the brain does it's best with the visual input to make the image more plausible?

Good question.

Well, it does differ for everyone, but yeah, your brain will attempt to incorporate the cues into whatever it can..

For me they've been: (With the older model, have yet to notice cues with this one)

-Flying saucers
-someone shining a laser pointer in my eye
-and my eyes just being flooded with red light
-the blinking red lights on the bottom of airplanes (exaggeratedly bright though)

So far, no LD's from the REMdreamer pro, it is helping with recall though, recalled about 5 dreams last night.

I think it'll be a matter of using it in combination with WILD attempts and tweaking the settings.

Originally Posted by .Val.

When you ordered it, did you get an acknowledgment when it has been shipped or anything? I ordered mine a few days ago, and haven't heard anything.

- Don't worry about this mate..wait a bit longer and then message the guy, chances are it will ship out in a day or two, then he'll let you know, that's what happened with mine.

For someone else with the same model,
(EvilDoctor)?can you answer me these, I have a few questions and the REMdreamer guys are awful to get ahold of.

1) When I have the preset setting for "medium TWC" set, and I put in a delay time, is it normal for the lights to give a quick flash about 20 minutes later (if I had the delay set for 20 minutes)..I kind of remember reading that but I'm not sure.

2) Also, is it normal for whatever preset (or custom settings) you have set in, for the unit to give a quick flash just before the end of the delay time to let you know it's about to begin its REM sensing?

3) When I sleep with the mask, I usually sleep with it in the mode 0:0, as this is where you set the delay time (after I choose either TWC, my custom settings, or a preset). When I awaken from a dream due to some cues perhaps and want to reset the delay time, will 2 or 3 presses of the button in 0:0 give me 20/30 more minutes of sleep respectively, before REM sensing (in the mode I chose), or do I have to go to "0:2" then back to "0:0" and then press the button for every 10 minutes of delay.

4) Also, for the TWC, Evildoctor, can you tell me, if and when I become lucid due to cues, how much time will the machine give me, from recognizing my eye movements, and stopping its cues, until it begins cuing again, or do I have to wake, and re-set the delay time?

Thanks for the help anyone..

look forward to sharing some more interesting results.

Originally Posted by bro

For someone else with the same model,
(EvilDoctor)?can you answer me these, I have a few questions and the REMdreamer guys are awful to get ahold of.

1) When I have the preset setting for "medium TWC" set, and I put in a delay time, is it normal for the lights to give a quick flash about 20 minutes later (if I had the delay set for 20 minutes)..I kind of remember reading that but I'm not sure.

2) Also, is it normal for whatever preset (or custom settings) you have set in, for the unit to give a quick flash just before the end of the delay time to let you know it's about to begin its REM sensing?

3) When I sleep with the mask, I usually sleep with it in the mode 0:0, as this is where you set the delay time (after I choose either TWC, my custom settings, or a preset). When I awaken from a dream due to some cues perhaps and want to reset the delay time, will 2 or 3 presses of the button in 0:0 give me 20/30 more minutes of sleep respectively, before REM sensing (in the mode I chose), or do I have to go to "0:2" then back to "0:0" and then press the button for every 10 minutes of delay.

4) Also, for the TWC, Evildoctor, can you tell me, if and when I become lucid due to cues, how much time will the machine give me, from recognizing my eye movements, and stopping its cues, until it begins cuing again, or do I have to wake, and re-set the delay time?

Thanks for the help anyone..

look forward to sharing some more interesting results.

Sorry bro - Im on a business trip to Europe and asia - Im in China this week. Its been kind of busy so i've not been online much.

Answers to the above:

1) Yes - the unit always gives a few breif flashes to let you know the delay time has expired. This is useful as you can press the central button a few times if you are not asleep yet. Each press of the button gives another 10 minutes delay - the unit will beep and flash once to confirm each extra ten minutes when you press the button. This also makes a useful RC. Once or twice I have had false awakenings and I pressed the central button and the unit made a slow pathetic sound like the batteries had run down.

2) yes - same answer as 1 - the unit always gives a breif double flash when the delay time expires for whatever custom or TWC settings you have chosen.

3) YOu are doing the right thing. I always leave it in 0:0 mode, because as you said this allows you to start a new period of delay after the unit fires a cue. If the unit wakes me during a dream or when I wake after a dream I normally just press the button to set a new delay time. 1 press for each ten minutes of delay you want. I normally press the button 2 or 3 times (20-30 mins) to give me time to fall back to sleep and start dreaming again. I am quite good at DEILD so I often go straight back into a lucid - therefore an extra 30 mins of delay is great as it doesnt screw with the start of my lucid. Sometimes the REM DREAMER fires in the middle of a lucid - more often it just "blinds" me and I have to wait for the dream scene to re-render. The REM Dreamer can be odd this way - it can cause you to become lucid - but can "ruin" a good lucid if it fires and wakes you. At the weekend when I can become lucid without the REM DREAMER I normally use it with a delay of 4-5 hours to wake me once I hit REM. Then I take some supplements and do without it. I get more use from the REM dreamer mid week when my nights are shorter and I am less likely to get lucid without help.

4) It does not take long to turn the cues off - just 3 or 4 seconds of strong up and down eye movement. When you wake at the end of the lucid (I always wake at the end of a lucid) then you can press the middle button to reset the delay time as before - 1 press = 10 minutes of additional delay. This will start a new "cycle" and the REM DREAM will begin REM detection and start TWC after the delay time elapses.

Hope this helps

Thank you evildoctor. Much appreciated. That answered every one of my questions.

I've taken a bit of a break from using the REMdreamer to work on mr LD'ing and WILD's without it, but It's a good feeling knowing it's there.

Bro,

its good to give the REM DREAMER a rest every now and then. Sometimes the mind just gets too clever at assimilating the cues into dreams.

A few nights ago mine fired a series of cues during a very vivid dream. I was in my kitchen talking to some people when the flashing lights blinded me. In my dream I said "damn im wearing my REM dreamer!" - so in my dream I take it off and then start showing the people I am with what it is and how it works. Completely nuts - didnt even occur to me that I might be dreaming! Then in the same dream I am walking up my street a little later when the thing fires again, this time I say "Shit! I thought I took this thing off back in the kitchen"!! Annoying.

Even the instructions suggest giving it a rest for periods here and there - good advice IMO.

Well, I got my REM Dreamer yesterday. Didn't actually take that long to arrive.

It seemed a bit confusing when I first started playing with it, but now that I am beginning to understand it it seems to make sense.

I went to bed wearing it last night with a four hour delay before it started. Dream Alert was also turned on. It woke me up not long after four hours with the dream alert, and I remembered a small dream.

The dream alert went off one more time later on in the morning, but I didn't recall any dreams.

When I woke up in the morning it told me that it had only gone off twice in the night. Which seemed really strange, as in... I thought it should be more.

I had an afternoon nap just before (1 1/2 hour) and it didn't go off once.

I'll see how I go tonight.

Val - You need to change the sensitivity. I have mine set on one. It should generate 10 to 20 cues a night if you have it set right. If it only fired a few times then your sensitivity level is wrong.

BTW - if you are using the software then the LOWER the number setting the more sensitive it is. I thought this would be the other way around and made the mistake of setting it to 9 - and then found It barely worked at all until I figured it out.