the odd thing for me is that the only time that i had what i consider to be an astral projection, it was like all the characters were waiting, helping and even taunting me to realise that i was just in a dream of my own creation. however most of the characters in lucids deny that its a dream, although occasionally i find some who agree with me. these often tend to be people that i know in reality and when i have looked back it does seem like they are the ones that i would kind of expect to be more knowledgable about dreaming. i guess it really is down to your expectations mostly, although id love to hear other peoples explanations