Curious about use of Alcohol and Drugs

**Blulanou42** · 10-27-2003 08:14 AM

STOP BELIEVING PROPAGANDA FROM ALCOHOL COMPANIES

weed does not kill brain cells, most illegals don't really.

The drugs that are legal are not the ones that make you well, the FDA is like a shady auto-mechanic, you take it in to get fixed, they break something else, but not badly, just so you'll be back in a month or two.

Legal drugs are designed to sedate the public and keep 'em working and keep 'em stupid. If you take bloodthinners for headaches your just killing yourself.

Our government actually has the odacity to make illegal the natural forms of drugs, take all those illegal drugs and sythesize them into 'legal' drugs, and then sell them back to us incomplete.

A molecular structure that has been split looks like a piece of paper when you rip it, it's not smooth, it's not normal or natural. We humans are used to ingesting whole forms of stimulents, we EVOLVED with them, they are what made us so strong. Now we take what was perfect and rip it up and take that. A broken substance like that cause 'free radical damage' to the body, literally erodes veins and arteries from the inside, rips through synapsies, tears us apart from inside our organs. These wounds are where certain ailments thrive. Cancer is known to especially inhabit the parts of us that have been worn away in such a manner.

There is no reason to take synthetic drugs. Really. none.
proper diet, ganja, shrooms, and lots of good water is all one really needs.

The new problem is it is increasingly getting harder and harder to find 'good' food. Does anyone even know that a large portaion of the meat in America now is irradiated? Buzzing with free radicals just because we are afraid of microscopic bugs that we used to ingest harmoniously as a part of our environment. The result is an increasingly weakened physical state in human evolution. Can anyone say 'potato famine'
Darwin said that evolution wasn't nessisarily a progressive thing, some evolve to the right specifications to be wiped out.

I would also like to point out here that the CIA was used as a tool to police the world and make opium illegal on the world market and they in turn stole the opium, took it, synthesized it, and are currently selling it back at impossibly high prices to villagers who cannot afford it because we burnt all their opium fields. Our medicine! Ha! We stole it from them!

I have strong feelings concerning Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and Bush 2. They are the biggest criminals the world has ever known. The CIA specializes in taking over governments, installing political lobbiests that have no problem burning millions of fields of opium around the world, stealing from innocents, creating drug cartels, making Pakistan and Afganistan hell holes (not to mention Vietnam, Korea) and they sell it back! and we say we are charitable and giving aid to these countries, we are selling back the resouces they once had for free!!!

I think that every honest American who has studied history outside of a censored classroom setting has a right as a patriot and good person to see that these ppl are shown as liars, that the ethos current in the American education system is uncensored and the true history of addictive substance trade is instituted into schools as required curriculum. These administrations of 'democracies' are pony show for gullible happy fat americans who only care about themselves and their bellies. Well guess what, we are all responsible for the genocide currently going on around the world and the world KNOWS that. Watch some worldlink tv, watch some free speech, see how ethnocentric and devious America has become because tyrants are currently in power.

Because of Substance control the American government has become thoroughly corrupt.

History must show the criminals. The FDA, CIA, FBI, Homeland security, the american armed forces, these are all tools of totalitarian trickery that we named capitalist democracy. The administrations of the last generation must be ousted. 235 of Reagan's administration wereeither under investigateion or being endited before the end of the presidency. The sad truth is you will find the same roster under bush and now under his son. The corruption of the American super power is draining the world of resources, killing thousands a day, making medication that once grew wild impossible to find, making death...we are killing because of our addictions and desires and it makes me truly sick and repulsed.

HOpe

something interesting that is happening is the American government is discovering that they cannot irradicate opium. It may be one of the most resilient plants on earth. If one watches the purple mountains and amber fields of grain with a sharp eye one can spot something quite spectacular. Fields and fields of poppies! They just happen to be evolving around their erradication. They hybrid. Look next june, especially july and august while driving about for big white blooms. They grow everywhere.
I even found a field at about 7700 ft! They grow. Despite our rouse to convice the worlds that synthetics are better. Despite erradication, the poppies will never die!

I am definitively Anti-synthetic now. I have tried them, studied them, studied their histories, and now I am finally just begining to understand the real dark side to addiction. We are manufacturing drugs that train workers, not peacemakers and lovers of the earth. This, I feel, is reason enough for upheaval and revolution, but I will not raise a weapon to meet my drugged up foes, I will use the greatest thing that this country affords me.

free speech. free mind.

I will not let this contiue if I can help it in any way. Censorship is wrong in all of its forms, especially substance.

**Blulanou42** · 10-27-2003 08:35 AM

One more thing

I watched a show on World Link tv about the ppl who actually grow cocain.

One man was a poor farmer. The government had come in and taken all his coca crop. He would not be able to feed his family that month. He was told to grow bannanas, but because of American capitalism, they are now worth nothing unless grown in mass quantity and shot with hormones. All the fruit he could grow is that way. He grows coca, his father did, his great-great-great granfather did. they do not synthesize it, they eat the leaves, they call it 'food.' All the growers are similar.

They bring their food to market. They sell the coca to men who take the bunched leaves to the dealers.

Yet all the aforementioned administrations and republicans generally support the contra, the death squads who hunt these innocent farmers (not the dealers or the actual cartel runners, the CIA work with them) down and kill them and their families.

This is the same senario as the opium farmer of afganistan. These ppl are not terrorists. The only ppl who can affoard to be terrorists are the ones who have american funding (ie, Osama bin Laden having dinner with the Bush family) and they are the ones that we purposely put in power to scapegoat later for easy enemies who really are just front men for the real deals that go down. No matter how many leaders we chase, nomatter how many farmers we kill, the heroin is STILL here. The war on drugs is myth to sedate a easily swayed lazy american public who only want flashy and instant results, no real resolution.

The policing of drugs around the world make innocent ppl suffer.

I would also like to point out that over 60% of prisons in this country are filled with non-violent drug offenders. Weed dealers who are said to import cartels of mexican grass. LOL, I smoke all homegrown, don't know about yall, buy the myth amoung those who aren't in the know is perposterous. All the weed in this country (although I have had mexican red-hair, brazilian gold) comes from Cali, Washington, Oregon, and your shwag is almost always local (Kansas latley is booming for some odd reason)

Please learn for yourselves and change the policiy of this police state and its offensive doublestandard that imprisons kids for weed.

sorry to get so far off topic. I feel that we must discuss our definitions of legality and 'drugs' must be defined, too, in order to properly discuss their useage in lucid dreaming. I feel strongly oppressed as one who has gained lucidiy by this path and feel that persecution detracts from real education or wisdom concerning the two.

drugs and lucidy are a valid way to go. I have done much and gained more for it, I regret nothing, I am peaceful, I am lucid, I am calm and becoming more and more clear headed and balenced. Addictive substances are not to be taken lightly, they will own you if your will is not strong enough to try them and then give them up.

remember: research, progressive moderation, and watch out for pigs.

**Serinanth** · 10-27-2003 09:02 AM

You rock man =)

I dont have much to add to that, you did a damned good job.

Everyone that will laugh and say pfft yeah right its all libral banter crap... Try looking into it, as he said find the truth for yourselves, not what you are told.

Good food is hard to find...

Oh I remembered a study they recently did...

Population of children living in clean closed environments, hepa filters in home ionizers, with clean freak antibacterial parents.

And Kids that grew up on farms or in rural areas where they played outside in the lakes and rivers, and grew up with animals and ivory soap.

The kids that grew up in the steril environments are MUch more likely to have asthma and other long term health problems, they are more prone to becoming sickly and stay sick longer and have to rely on antibiotics to get them health again.

The kids that grew up exposed to the earth and life and played outside?
much lower cases of asthema, they rarely get sick if they do get sick orange juice and chicken soup will make them right as rain in a few days.

People rely on those drugs and antibiotics too much, try to shelter their kids from which they should not be sheltered from. its dangerous to their long term health! They keep the food we eat devoid of the microbes we have a SYMBIOTIC relationship with, meaning they need us we need them!

ok ok /rantoff/

**Seeker** · 10-27-2003 01:56 PM

I used to smoke some week in the 70's, but that's ancient history.
I only drink now, but I find that anything over 1 glass of wine interferes with my dreaming.
Alcohol does reduce the amount of time spent in REM state.

**Second Attention** · 10-27-2003 05:37 PM

Indeed, it does. Alcohol=legal=bad.

We want to talk killing brain cells, alcohol is still the best and oldest way to go.

I like it though... it still has it's place in the giving of good times to me.

**Seeker** · 10-27-2003 05:41 PM

Not to mention liver cells, enlarged heart, blood pressure.

I try to keep it to about 12 ounces a night of Red.

**Serinanth** · 10-27-2003 09:53 PM

I drink guinness... so I think that makes me an alchoholic... oh wait.. they go to meetings..

**Second Attention** · 10-27-2003 09:58 PM

YEAH GUINESS!!! WOOOT!! IRISH PEOPLE ROCK!! YEAH!!

I\'m irish...

**evangel** · 10-28-2003 02:32 AM

Originally posted by Blulanou42
STOP BELIEVING PROPAGANDA FROM ALCOHOL COMPANIES
weed does not kill brain cells, most illegals don't really.
The drugs that are legal are not the ones that make you well, the FDA is like a shady auto-mechanic, you take it in to get fixed, they break something else, but not badly, just so you'll be back in a month or two.
I will not let this contiue if I can help it in any way. Censorship is wrong in all of its forms, especially substance.

Hmmmm... Sounds like "propaganda" to me. Why should I believe your propaganda over someone else's? Especially when hundreds of studies (both government studies and otherwise) prove... Free speech... sure. But making someone else out to be the villain and then proclaiming yourself as free (or at least more so than the ones you attack) from error -this thinking is not "open-minded" or "free thinking." It's PROPOGANDA.

**Tim** · 10-28-2003 02:45 AM

you cant believe anybodys propaganda... do your own research and find out for yourself

**evangel** · 10-28-2003 02:52 AM

I 'gree totally. :yumdumdoodledum:

Sorry. I like those smilies!

**Blulanou42** · 10-28-2003 10:09 AM

Originally posted by evangel+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(evangel)</div>

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STOP BELIEVING PROPAGANDA FROM ALCOHOL COMPANIES
weed does not kill brain cells, most illegals don't really.
The drugs that are legal are not the ones that make you well, the FDA is like a shady auto-mechanic, you take it in to get fixed, they break something else, but not badly, just so you'll be back in a month or two.
I will not let this contiue if I can help it in any way. Censorship is wrong in all of its forms, especially substance.

Hmmmm... Sounds like \"propaganda\" to me. Why should I believe your propaganda over someone else's? Especially when hundreds of studies (both government studies and otherwise) prove... Free speech... sure. But making someone else out to be the villain and then proclaiming yourself as free (or at least more so than the ones you attack) from error -this thinking is not \"open-minded\" or \"free thinking.\" It's PROPOGANDA.[/b]

Ok, I admit i was going off there. I got carried away, hehe. But I will explain the reference.

The ALcohol companies pay for those ads you see on tv now, not the governement. And we should all be asking ourselves why our government is the only one getting negative results with marijuanna testing, the lobbiest run thick in this country. Big money Pharmaceuticals lobbies like mad agaist it. The bad drugs are the synjthetics, they destroy you, weed replenishes the heart and mind.

Not to mention the TOBACCO industry. Addiction lobbiests own us.

**nerve** · 10-28-2003 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Second Attention
YEAH GUINESS!!! WOOOT!! IRISH PEOPLE ROCK!! YEAH!!

I\'m irish...

yay, i'm irish too...mostly..

**Second Attention** · 10-28-2003 04:27 PM

HELL YEAH!!

::grabs paperdoll and does an irish jig::

WOOHOOO!!! I love Irish people!!

...sorry... forgot you didn\'t like that...(edited^^^)

**nerve** · 10-28-2003 04:41 PM

please don\'t call me paper...

actually i'm part Irish, part German. i have very pale skin and blonde hair.

**Serinanth** · 10-28-2003 06:27 PM

Im actually a mutt....
Im an American =)
But I have good taste in beer ... its the weirdest thing.. out there (ireland) they drink Bud.... of all the shitty beers! granted guinnes is the choice but they seem to like bud.. which baffles me.... lol a friend brought a case of bud over one night and we yelled at him "Get outamyhouse! and take your crappy beer with you!"

We ended up getting him to drink guinness the case of bud sat in the basement for over 2 years... then we got bored and started putting cans on the grill while it was lit

BOOOMF!!!

Shitty beer everywhere!!!
:yumdumdoodledum:

**evangel** · 10-28-2003 06:27 PM

[quote][quote]

The ALcohol companies pay for those ads you see on tv now, not the governement. And we should all be asking ourselves why our government is the only one getting negative results with marijuanna testing, the lobbiest run thick in this country. Big money Pharmaceuticals lobbies like mad agaist it. The bad drugs are the synjthetics, they destroy you, weed replenishes the heart and mind.

d'know about weeds being replenishing to anything

but yeah, it does make one kinda sick the power the alcohol, drug, and tobacco industries have...

**Serinanth** · 10-28-2003 06:42 PM

dont forget oil!

**evangel** · 10-28-2003 06:56 PM

dem too...

We should all be driving electric or Hydrogen powered cars by now, but noooo. The oil people gotsta have it all and dim sum.

What was the thread topic again?

**jill1978** · 10-28-2003 11:05 PM

I dont know if this group has a collective consiousness or not, but I've sworn off booze and acidametaphen(sp) for good this week, then I read this thread, funny. Booze causes some real harm.....I agree with second attention and would like to not be dependant on anything at all....I do think weed is the least harmful of them all, but lets face it, it's still harms us....herpes and the flu are natural, but it dose'nt mean they're good.....I guess it's moderation, but It dose work for anxiety which I have a problem with and I was smokeing everyday for awhile and it was getting too expensive and my hookups were all busted or dissappeared, so I guess I'll have to deal without.

**evangel** · 10-29-2003 01:23 AM

Originally posted by jill1978
...It dose work for anxiety which I have a problem with and I was smokeing everyday for awhile and it was getting too expensive and my hookups were all busted or dissappeared, so I guess I'll have to deal without.

Most people that I dealt with around the stuff were too sketchy and paranoid... even the ones that had "homegrown." There's such a prevailing attitude of paranoia and defensiveness -about how much it costs and having to hide it -both from authorities -and from people who want to steal it. As far as weed working for anxiety, In my experience (both direct and from observing friends and family) is that smoking weed becomes more of an escapist thing which helps change yer mood and get yer mind off of worries for a while, (Like Bob Marley said "Everything is gonna be allright" -until you come back down!) but does little in the long term to help anxiety...

I do have occasional dreams where I've felt high, but haven't smoked for three years now. I'm definitely more motivated and energetic now that I don't and have no desire at all to smoke.

**jill1978** · 10-29-2003 02:43 AM

It is a form of ascape, but anxiety medicine dose'nt work longterm either, you have to keep taking it...It's good you quit, I'm trying to stop turning to substances as an answer, it's just my weakness and something I have to work on.

**Blulanou42** · 11-24-2003 09:44 PM

the only real way to free yourself from axiety is to

!) lucid dream
2) meditate (sitting and zen, all the time, really)
3) diet (some toke, some don't. we all find our way. but good food is a must and is rare here in usa land, ;()

and of course, love, love helps anxiety...sex too ;p