Thread: EXTREME Lucid Experiments

Originally Posted by Shineenigma

Jamous, I had though about this very same thing when I was about 14. Frankly, the answer is so obvious that I don't see why I'm bothering. Simply the colours could not work that way. Look at the colour spread when chosing custom colours on most computor software. There are more shades of green than any other colour. If it were true that one person were to perceve colours as the next one on, this would not work correctly. It would mean that there would be detail on certain coloured objects that some people just would not be able to see. This may be true of some (i.e. the colourblind), but the difference would be much more noticable.

Red, blue, and yellow are the only colors there are. And every color that is not solid red, blue, or yellow, is a combination. The color spectrum encompasses every possible color between red, blue, and yellow, and black and white, which are "shades."

yeah. i could try all i wanted to make a new color in my lds. but u or me or anyone wouldnt be able too. if u do, please TRY to prove to me how u did it, and describe the color....... muhahahahah

Originally Posted by spitfire riggz

yeah. i could try all i wanted to make a new color in my lds. but u or me or anyone wouldnt be able too. if u do, please TRY to prove to me how u did it, and describe the color....... muhahahahah

I'd like to see them try...

Creating a new color is impossible. Our eyes can only percieve such a set color range, only a few million colors. We can't create colors in our dream world and institute them into reality. You might be able to say, when I enter the next room I'll see a new color but when you wake up it'll probably be a color you've seen before. Or when you try to remember what it looked like, come up with nothing. Then there's the all important question: How would you describe it? I think you can equate this to the asking DCs to tell you the funniest joke ever. You'll hear it and think it's hilarious but when you wake up it's just nonsense. However, yes you can persuade yourself while dreaming that you saw a new color but in reality you didn't.

Originally Posted by Through the Looking Glass

Creating a new color is impossible. Our eyes can only percieve such a set color range, only a few million colors. We can't create colors in our dream world and institute them into reality. You might be able to say, when I enter the next room I'll see a new color but when you wake up it'll probably be a color you've seen before. Or when you try to remember what it looked like, come up with nothing. Then there's the all important question: How would you describe it? I think you can equate this to the asking DCs to tell you the funniest joke ever. You'll hear it and think it's hilarious but when you wake up it's just nonsense. However, yes you can persuade yourself while dreaming that you saw a new color but in reality you didn't.

you sound a little too sure of yourself here
but you are probably right

I love how this has turned into a philosophical discussion.

I know we have a set color spectrum, but there have always been constants:


-The type of light we see it in

-The limitations of the human eye

-The limitations of our knowledge past what we ourselves see

-The limitations of our mind to set apart these colors


For example, how do you know there is a fourth dimension if we can't see it? What if there is a type of light that nobody can see or prove with our clumsy scientific devices?

Imagine being able to see everything.

Seeing everything in the universe on from the tiniest detail to the largest perspective. Seeing everyone's thoughts, emotions, actions. Seeing the past, the future, what never was, what could have been, how things happened, seeing ourselves from an unbiased view, seeing everything for the first time and as if we'd seen it before. Seeing infinity, all the possibilities... The possibilities in our universe would seem infinitely small to what you can do with infinity. We could see time, we could see how it has always been, but never was...

Now in that deep thinking state, tell me that you can't create a new color.

And tell me, how far-reaching our our scientific capabilities if we are using the very fabric we are trying to study? It's like somebody being given clay to build something to find out more about clay. And maybe, someone out there is appreciating the level of thought we are gradually achieving.

Just as this smiley would look like an infinitely ridiculous compared to the Universe. ()

Maybe in the future, we will have explored so many possibilities that smaller variation are gradually more appealing, until we are so minutely perfectionist that we see art in everything.

Besides, unless we give back to the Universe in thinking, contemplation and philosophy as well as changing the enviroment for the betterment of it's inhabitants, we are nothing but a rapidly multiplying virus that consumes and moves on.

That is why art is so important.

And that is why the mind is our greatest tool, and is unbounded in all the areas that would normally be bound in our Universe.


I got a little carried away, but on purpose. Now in this state of mind, and not from a narrow human perspective, post your replies.

To create is heavily contingent upon pre-existing knowledge. How does one create anything completely novel? It would be like asking someone with a sensory deficit, e.g. blindness, to create something that relates to said sense. For without the person having any prior experience to visual stimuli, I cannot fathom such happening (almost).

Originally Posted by Quark

To create is heavily contingent upon pre-existing knowledge. How does one create anything completely novel? It would be like asking someone with a sensory deficit, e.g. blindness, to create something that relates to said sense. For without the person having any prior experience to visual stimuli, I cannot fathom such happening (almost).

dats deep, joe

I think this discussion dead-ended awhle ago

until somebody tries this, succeeds or fails, there isn't much else to say about the color thing.

Seconded.

On the subject of creating a new colour I may have come a little closer to solving this little challenge. I myself am incapable of Lucid Dreaming, I only ever did it once and the only lucid thing about it was forcing myself awake because i got scared. I have never had a real lucid dream and, although I imagine it would be a fantastic skill to have, I doubt I ever will.

My 'solution' is something much, much simpler. When you close your eyes you never see complete blackness do you? I don't. What I see, everytime, almost without exception is a swirling mist of dark colours all disolving into one another and regenerating shortly after and this, my friends, is where I found my answer.

The one that stands out the most is what looks to have the darkness of black but the striking brightness and 'blood', so to speak, of green. Now try to imagine that then set it on fire. That is what I believe is a colour created by my mind.

Does anyone see what I mean?

P.S. What is a DC?

Originally Posted by jamous

Red, blue, and yellow are the only colors there are. And every color that is not solid red, blue, or yellow, is a combination. The color spectrum encompasses every possible color between red, blue, and yellow, and black and white, which are "shades."

Actually, you're thinking of color pigments, like paint. What you really mean is RGB, red green and blue are the 3 primary colors that can combine to create other colors, in the physical world. There is also the secondary, the cyan, magenta, and....yellow? I forget the third.

Anyways.....I imagine that the brain could fool you into thinking you saw a new color, by giving you just the sensation. The memory of the color would always rest just on the tip of your mind, as you could never envision it whole, as that is impossible. You can have the "sensation" of seeing a new color, but you can't actually physically perceive it. We can only perceive visible light within a certain frequency range of the electromagnetic spectrum, much like we can only hear sounds within the frequency range of 20 Hz to 20 000 Hz.
But it really depends on our receptors and our brain, as our whole reality rests within the computations of this organ. With our exponentially expanding technology, I can only imagine that soon we will be able to delve into the territory of perceiving that which was before unseen.

btw....why is everything in Russian on this forum?
(edit: lol nvm, I didn't see the language bar at the bottom)

Only three colours? You realize that other animals see our colour spectrum in addition to some other ones? I mean, really, do you think that we have the highest vision spectrum? Nope.

Now how do those animals deal with it? Well, they just do, because their brain works with it differently. Which brings me back to my point that it would be an extension of your existing sight. The animals which naturally have the ability to see wider spectrums don't suddenly have another sense, it's an extension.

You know also that people can see a bit of low-range-infrared? Just thought I'd mention.

Originally Posted by Metroid48

Only three colours? You realize that other animals see our colour spectrum in addition to some other ones? I mean, really, do you think that we have the highest vision spectrum? Nope.

Now how do those animals deal with it? Well, they just do, because their brain works with it differently. Which brings me back to my point that it would be an extension of your existing sight. The animals which naturally have the ability to see wider spectrums don't suddenly have another sense, it's an extension.

You know also that people can see a bit of low-range-infrared? Just thought I'd mention.

how could anybody know that some animals see more colors than we do?

That's just another way of saying, how can anyone "know" anything??? No one is 100% certain of anything, but we can get close enough. Maybe they know because they can see neural activity in the visual cortex of animals in response to wavelengths outside our visible spectrum.

Humans are limited creatures, what we don't understand or think possible a lot of us just seem to write off as impossible. Yet just look at all the technological and developmental advancements we have made, the understanding we have gained over centuries of research and development culminating in a single event, the gaining of knowledge previously unknown.

You are limiting color to only the current visible light spectrum. But that is just because our eyes only have receptors to pick up those certain frequencies. But there are animals the pit viper for instance which can "see" using infrared. There is plenty of evidence to support this claim just google it, I don't care to do the research for you. That being said I do NOT believe that in our physical state we could see anything outside of the light spectrum but when you are dreaming you are not limited to the physical state. The mind no longer interprets signals from your eyes it uses the "minds eye" to create your surroundings. Therefore the limit of not having receptors is taken out of the equation. If you would open your mind a little and stop being so narrow minded you would understand that it is only logical to perceive what has never been perceived before else we would never be able to learn anything new.

Explaining this new color though would pose an extremely difficult task in that you could not compare the new color to any other physical color because then the skeptics just write it off as "oh, he is just seeing a slightly different shade nothing more." You would need to be able to give them the experience firsthand or they would just need to believe that it is possible even though the image they get from you trying to explain it would not be the same as the actual color.

Also, if perceiving a new "color" is too much for you to comprehend then consider it as seeing a new spectrum or light. The feeling and visual effects of that new spectrum would be the color. The skeptics here are just too narrow minded to consider perceiving what is commonly believed as impossible as possible. Break free of the restraints that hold you back, the common beliefs and create your own. Give it an honest try in your next LD, if you can not achieve this then maybe you just arent skilled enough, or maybe it is impossible for you. But until i have exhausted every resource I have trying to prove that it is possible I refuse to accept that it is impossible. As is I can see in Infrared in my LD. But to try and explain it to you would be like trying to explain what fire is to a person who has never experienced fire. Unless I can show you through my mind what I saw you will never truly understand the experience.

Originally Posted by M0rp8ix

You are limiting color to only the current visible light spectrum. But that is just because our eyes only have receptors to pick up those certain frequencies. But there are animals the pit viper for instance which can "see" using infrared. There is plenty of evidence to support this claim just google it, I don't care to do the research for you. That being said I do NOT believe that in our physical state we could see anything outside of the light spectrum but when you are dreaming you are not limited to the physical state. The mind no longer interprets signals from your eyes it uses the "minds eye" to create your surroundings. Therefore the limit of not having receptors is taken out of the equation. If you would open your mind a little and stop being so narrow minded you would understand that it is only logical to perceive what has never been perceived before else we would never be able to learn anything new.

Yeah, pretty much what I'm saying basically. We don't have receptors to perceive energy outside our visible spectrum, but that's not to say that somehow we might be able to be equipped with receptors that can perceive energy outside the visible spectrum. It's already been shown that some animals and insects perceive outside our visible spectrum.

And as for seeing outside the visible spectrum in a dream, well, like I said before, the closest you can get to that is just the fleeting sensation that you saw a new color. How would it be possible otherwise? Unless somehow you unconciously pick up on these wavelengths outside the visual spectrum, and they are shown to you in your dreams, I just don't see how your brain could simulate the perception of energy outside the visible spectrum.

Think about it this way. Some one lives there whole lives with ear plugs on but they don't realize it. They hear, but what they hear is nothing compared to what we hear. What they hear is not only lower in loudness, but has much of the high frequency content removed. Now to them this what sound is. How could they imagine anything different? One day you remove their ear plugs and they say.....holy crap, I had no idea sound could be this bright. Do you think they could have a dream before their ear plugs were removed where they heard such sounds, and remember it the next morning? Course not.

Oh yea, and we don't learn new things by perceiving new ranges of stimuli. What you're talking about is evolution/mutation. Maybe one day a random mutation will occur, where the person can perceive a wider range of stimuli, and they this person will procreate and pass on his/her genes, and evolution will favor this and soon everyone will be seeing sound or w/e lol.