Thread: Life after death... by scripture

Decent cop-out....too bad though. I thought we were really getting somewhere this time.

Awaken:
Evolution of life?
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13747

Wow, that took a long time to read
Actually it didn't, and most of it makes clear sense to me, given today's understood explanations of physics/biology/chemistry/etc. The only thing is the idea of chance which leaves a lot of room open to other ideas.

About the RNA molecule, assuming a random mutation took place from the molecule, creating a functioning cell, and then assuming its conditions stayed the same just long enough for it to multiply and mutate into something more advanced (during a turbulent time on the earth in the first place), while having enough numbers to not die of extinction - and THEN looking at how complex a cell actually needs to be to have the encoded information to chemically-interact with its surroundings.......Geez.....The chances of that happening, over the chances of Intelligent Design, both seem like probable possibilities to me. And no I'm not talking about organized religion... Baaaaaaaaah!

Thinking about the chance that we evolved this way, and then thinking about the chance that every paranormal experience could be summed up as a delusion or a misunderstood bit of logic, tends to lead me away from explaining our origins as being that of a random accident.

Both to me are probable, I can't deny that. Chance is by logic a probable cause and therefore it's still on the table. But with the scientifically-demonstrated power of our minds (placebo effect, positive vs. negative thinking, the paranormal like I said, etc), the mystery remains for me. And then with modern scientific examination of the Universe, showing that A. atoms are not in fact solid or tightly-packed together at all, and B. our eyes only see frequency from the electron clouds of atoms (hologram effect), and that it is our brain that interprets the image and not our eyes, new ideas start to gain scientific merit. It starts to look like one big cosmic game for me. There's so much that remains unexplained about science as of yet, and I really just feel evolution would downplay the vastness of knowledge that remains to be understood.

Anyway just my thoughts. I have my idea about what we are and where we came from, and I know I've described it many times already so I won't rehash it, but I'd rather keep poking my nose around looking for more certainty, even if it doesn't lead me anywhere I like my current explanation because it has a lot of scientific backing as it is, but I still don't shut out other information, provided it has some science behind it. Religion has books and a few clues (debatable) scattered around the world, which also could be attributed to chance, but I can't stand church, tradition, or the threat of everlasting hellfire - it all adds up to running around in circles not searching for anything new, and a way to keep people afraid of the consequences of their actions. An unexplored path is, well, a path waiting to be explored . And on an unexplored path, there's new information waiting to be discovered which could help us a great deal. The element of chance is still there...

So rather than continue on another meaningless rant, I think I'll move on at the risk of granting some kind of ego-pump to spoon-man there. [/b]

Meh, ego isn't one of my things. I'd rather you just answer the questions.

And as for knowing the original languages of the bible... ask yourself how "lucifer", an inarguably latin name, came to be in the OT. Knowing greek/hebrew is good for interpretation yes, but it just leaves the door open for more questions.

-spoon

Okay.

One should always use critical thinking when reading and studying scripture, and should be willing to read up and know critical/opposing views of the Bible, how it was canonized, written, etc. and seek at least a basic understanding of the original languages or linguistics and etymology in general. I see nothing wrong with studying extra-Biblical literature, anti-Biblical literature, etc. It is good to be informed or to "know your enemy" so to speak. For those who are new Christians I would suggest studying the basic doctrines of scripture, starting with the gospels so as not to be distracted by the flood of information and misinformation out there...

That said, I provide the following link. I don't know ALL of this guy's views, but I found it interesting since I have personally been curious about the terms "morning star" "light-bearer/bringer" and how they appear to be synonymous. I try to understand who and what satan is in light of the OT Jewish understanding of satan. I do not attribute the name to any one particular being (i.e. "Lucifer" ) but understand THEM as a plurality of beings (satan meaning "adversary" or "accuser of mankind"). There may be one who is at the top of the satanic heirarchy, yet I do not believe that his name is given explicitly.

http://www.israelofgod.org/lucifer.htm

I agree.

Though much of the time when somebody goes to "know their enemy," they can't help but realize what part of them believes in that as well. Otherwise, they really didn't open their mind to it.

But....ya, it's probably not worth arguing about. You can usually determine the results of the debate by the attitude of either participant.

But if you want to argue for the hell of it...ah, why not?