Thread: Where is heaven?

The moon landing was done in a studio that's why they didnt "find" heaven

Originally posted by bradybaker
Just a question...if you believe heaven and exist....where are these places? Surely they must be around here somewhere right? We've been to the moon and back...no sign of em there.

And people have reported NDEs seconds after death...so, assuming that you're soul is restricted to travelling at the speed of light, like the rest of the matter and energy in the universe, heaven and hell would need to be relatively close by.

Any thoughts?

Anyone who believes in heaven and is a materialist is imbicilic. I doubt anyone could form a decent arguement for the existance of a real physical location called heaven or hell.

If I had to answer I'd say in your mind which doesn't really exist physically, or in another plane of existance or something, but I don't really believe in heaven and hell.(Though I don't deny that they may exist)

heaven is a endless lucid dream like that person up there said in ur minds

Supposing heaven is "God's land", and supposing God is "the ultimate and perfect being" then the question Where is heaven? is contradictory. God must be above space and time so surely heaven must also be beyond space and time. So trying to determine the location of heaven is logically impossible.

There is a corridor of stars that reach vast distances and it is possible that it leads there.

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God must be above space and time so surely heaven must also be beyond space and time.[/b]

Above space and time? Like in the diagram spoon posted?

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There is a corridor of stars that reach vast distances and it is possible that it leads there.

In other words, in a galaxy far, far away. Moving at the speed of light, it would take years for our soul to cover the distance from here to the nearest star. NDEs have been reported after only a few seconds of clinical death.

Heaven is categorized into various natural and supernatural definitions.

First, heaven is the dwelling place of God therefore it is an intangible place not seen, or touched with hands. It can be described as the air which we breathe. Heaven is described to have windows, from which comes rain. It is said that heaven shall pass away. We are not to swear by heaven.

It is said we have treasure in heaven. We receive signs from heaven. We do not marry in heaven. The Son of Man is in heaven. He is coming in the clouds of heaven. We have authority to loose in heaven. The spirit came down from heaven. I would just like to add this for all my Christian friends in here, if Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven,

And he is in you, and the Father is in you, then where is heaven?, but in you.

&#96;The reign of God does not come with observation; you can’t see it is spiritually discerned

The Rev.

God, or should I say, TSOAL, doesn't reside in heaven -- hevean's just a place for mortal souls to rest between lives. It is a little roped-off section of the dwelling place of the Earth-bound deities, that is, the lesser gods that can and choose to interact with mortals.

Hell is another dwelling place of EBDs, made of "faux cavern". No mortals ever go there. The name has no connotation whatsoever -- or at least not the common mortal one -- to the deities who dwell there; these are primarily those of the Devil Clan, an extended family of mischievous deities who are quite taken with human hedonism of sorts.

TSOAL has never moved from its place in the Void, outside of the universe, in its seeming infinity. The Void is far from what could be called heaven, but then, TSOAL, like a contemporary desktop CPU, has no need for such a surrounding.

The Ram.

My understanding is that believers in heaven or hell regard these places as metaphysical, which means that these places cannot be perceived or locally defined in our reality.

There are three dimensions which we all has access to:
the Natural = Body
the Intellect, and the Emotional = Soul
and the Spiritual. = Spirit

These three are designed to function within there specific realm of influence.
The body is designed to relate to all things natural.
The soul is designed to relate to all things intellectual, and emotional.
The spirit is designed to relate to all things spiritual.

If any of these have been exasperated by an unbalancing of their abilities, then they will not function properly, or not at all

This can be why some can't believe in the unseen.



Heaven is (in) you!

More likely it is the brain beginning to starve for nourishment and consciousness begins to fade, synapses misfire, and actual memories begin to overlap false memory as personal conception of reality fades from existance.

Than the person coming back from an NDE reports that their memories are now imprinted with the false memory. They then have the option to accept the delusion, or to deny it as a logical person would do.

It is unfortunate that many here don't even need to experience an NDE to buy into delusion, lies, and false memory.

I can appreciate primitive man needing deity(s) to explain things they didn't understand. In fact, one might argue that that was the beginning of science. Looking for *something* to explain that which they couldn't explain.

Today - there's simply no excuse for it. Some have evolved along with science. Others prefer to continue living in an age 5000 years + since dead.

You believe your diety gave you a brain. I'd like to propose you start using it for something other than keeping your ears apart.

How can these things be places that are seperate from you? The outside manifestation of these concepts will depend on the vibration. The source of it, comes from your decision. Which can be of either limited knowledge/wisdom/love or above average realization of truth. To that degree is your experience of these things. How you live and what you know about truth.

You shall know the truth and it shall make you free. (Freedom = "Heaven")
not "you shall find a location that will make you free"

It is impossible to find a location of either heaven or hell that is not manifested by those which reside there with their consiousness. You cannot enter a high place that you are not capable of understanding, neither can you effectively live up to a vibration of "light" that you do not emenate yourself. That is why jesus said "you cannot go where I am going". Because you cannot understand or live up to the level of vibration that he has achieved in his realization of truth through experience. (of many lifetimes)

"How cursed are those that rely on the arm of flesh" (cursed="hell")
Not how cursed are those that reside in a certain physical location.

It is impossible to be in a place which does not fit your vibration.

It is not, where are these places and do they exist. The question is what IS they way of life that results in the experience of these terms. Which ultimately comes down to truth lived being heaven and illusion lived being hell.

Now for the more shorter and simple answer. Heaven is in truth. It is something which has it's source in higher dimensions of consiousness. If you do not percieve the higher dimensions in your consiousness you will not understand what is meant by "it is in truth"
and you will consider "heaven" as a place somewhere in the universe. Which indeed it can be, but only by those who know and manifest it.

You cannot be told what the truth is. You have to see it for yourself.

Nirvana wrote:

Now for the more shorter and simple answer. Heaven is in truth. It is something which has it's source in higher dimensions of consiousness. If you do not percieve the higher dimensions in your consiousness you will not understand what is meant by \"it is in truth\"
and you will consider \"heaven\" as a place somewhere in the universe. Which indeed it can be, but only by those who know and manifest it. [/b]

So basically, as long as your able to trick your mind into believing there is a heaven and hell, then there will always be one.

It is impossible to be in a place which does not fit your vibration.[/b]

And once your dead, you cease to vibrate.

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Btw, saying the word "truth" over and over doesn't make it so.

I would say that if Heaven and Hell do exist, they most certainly wouldn't be on the physical plane (in my opinion) I'd think you could travel to the furthest reaches of space, passing the "82398347298492384 lightyears till the next restroom" sign, bust a Uie and come on back to earth without finding either of them. I'd say they are either definite locations that sit outside of this plane, but are still constant, Or they are simply an extention of the "eternal consciousness" and don't exist in any Place at all, except for the incarnal fabric of our souls.
Either that, or we simply cease to be after death and they don't exist all together. Whichever.

Originally posted by Rocky

You cannot enter a high place that you are not capable of understanding

That actually explains a lot!

So you would be struck down instantly if you ever tried to a) enter a library B) enter a science lab and c) set foot anywhere on this planet at any time under any circumstance


Can we please test this theory?

I read this thread earlier, and now I can't get Belinda Carlisle's voice out of my head.

Originally posted by Universal Mind
I read this thread earlier, and now I can't get Belinda Carlisle's voice out of my head

Congratulations! You've discovered hell!

Brady similar to one who thinks death is real all the while experiencing aliveness.
You can believe heaven and hell is a place to travel too. I bet there are many good places. But it won't change the reality of where your at.

kim you trying to be funny again, or are you serious? What i mean by you cannot enter a high place is nothing to do with entering a library. Maybe your consiosuness is not in a dimension of thought capable of understanding the concept but, "You cannot be in heaven if your not capable of understanding what is required to be there".

But this is indeed a question that conducts itself to be taken merely materialistically. I highly doubt you would consider it something of spiritual significance.

Heaven and hell are more commonly known as states of mind after all of this badgering about them being physical places. Imagination and dreaming is enough to prove possibilites of "being" somewhere without actually being anywhere, and that the physical plane is not all there is to existence. Besides, to look for its physical location is irrelevant if you don't believe anything of an intangible personality separate from the body anyway. A question like this is usually meant to just poke fun at religious beliefs.

If you cannot see nor believe the soul/spirit to leave the body, why expect to challenge if there is a tangible location where they go? It's ludicrous.

Great Post !

We can not see beyond the decisions we make, if we can not understand a thing then we can not believe in it. Natural man is held within the realm of the natural senses. Therefore the natural man can not grasp the spiritual with the natural senses.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
We can not see beyond the decisions we make, if we can not understand a thing then we can not believe in it. Natural man is held within the realm of the natural senses. Therefore the natural man can not grasp the spiritual with the natural senses.

Or the spiritual doesn't exist at all. One of the other right? Surely one of such wisdom can admit that you might be wrong on all this.

Dang it! I wrote "of course, the other interpretation is that man can't grasp it simply because it doesn't exist"

But you beat me in there by seconds...