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      I'm confused here... was this thread moved into Philosophy at some point, because I don't remember the first few pages ? *scratch head*
      Never mind..

      As to the discussion:
      I beginning to feel that it would be a good idea to have a separate religion section. That way those that don't WANT to read the religious stuff, don't have to.

      Kim & Awaken: It's fairly clear that you two are coming out as the leaders (I'll hold back on the 'self-appointed' - I think its more of a case of strong conviction and outspokenness (?))
      It's obvious that you two speak past each other, and seemingly disagree on everything.
      Can't we just accept that, and disagree without resorting to insults (implied and otherwise)?

      The real problem here is that when a specific religious topic is started, the scientifically minded people respond with discussions on whether God and creation exists in the first place.
      This has happened time and time again and of course it makes sense, because why would you want to discuss... eg. the interpretation of Genesis and the creation, if you don't believe in the creation to begin with? You cut to the core of the problem you have with it, but the core of the problem is far off topic and throws the thread off. Usually turning it into personal attacks

      This is why I reckon a separate religious section would solve this - that way the religious-minded can keep the conversation on the line they are interested in without involving arguments about the existence of God, etc.
      I'd suggest that discussions about God's existence and the creation belong in Philosophy, but not discussions on bible scripture (we make that new section for this)
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      Originally posted by Placebo

      This is why I reckon a separate religious section would solve this - that way the religious-minded can keep the conversation on the line they are interested in without involving arguments about the existence of God, etc.
      I'd suggest that discussions about God's existence and the creation belong in Philosophy, but not discussions on bible scripture (we make that new section for this)
      Not a bad idea. Those that believe in the paranormal and linked abilities have their "Beyond Dreaming" forum, so it would make sense to have a forum that caters to the delusions of theist.

      That is, if Icedawg thinks that the site would benefit from having another tangent forum.
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      [quote][ Please try to avoid double posting. Rather use the edit button - Moderator ]
      See, Awaken, it's not just me.

      I'm beginning to think a separate religion forum -- or the strict banning of all religious-themed discussion -- is the best thing right now.
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      The thing seems to be that philosophical discussion inevitably leads to religious discussion. Talking about the nature of the universe leads to talking about its origin, which ends up in talking about God, which ends up in atheists and agnostics saying, "How do you know?". That apparently causes all kinds of mental explosions. It's inevitable.

      I understand the desire to have friendly forums here, but I would like to make the suggestion that the philosophy forum get an exception. Being nice is easy when you're talking about how to have lucid dreams and what lucid dream experiences you have had or what poetry you've written, but when atheists and theists start talking about the nature of the universe, satire and other forms of ridicule are almost unavoidable and come about in the midst of already stirred up emotions. My take on this is that everybody who engages in the religious debates is a willing participant and doesn't seem to mind how the game has been working. I am a philosophy forum junky, and I have yet to see one that isn't full of hostility. In fact, this is by far the friendliest one I know of. This is a game of Candyland compared to what the average political philosphy forum looks like. So I think the moderators should allow this forum to get ugly because philosophical discussion almost unavoidably brings about serious conflict when all kinds of views are represented, and a lot of people obviously think it's fun. But of course that's just my suggestion and it's up to the moderators.
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      ["Placebo"]

      As I do believe in the free flow of ideas, I believe most strongly that conflict is the whole point of discovery, without it there is no expansion of mind, and emotional exploration of the spirit. Placebo, I do agree to a point that those of faith should have their own place within this forum, but with free access to all who would reply, with the understanding of what the outlining premise is within the forum, that being said I would love to be a part of the evolution of this room.

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