i don't believe in "future"--there is only right now. |
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I posted this on another thread in the discussion forum, but I think it would be better put here: |
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"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" - Groucho Marx
i don't believe in "future"--there is only right now. |
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gragl
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Either way, you're doing what you want (Destiny is logical. If you didn't like classical music, your destiny wouldn't likely include you going to a classical music concert, would it?), so it doesn't matter either way. |
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"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" - Groucho Marx
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Each new day is a chance to turn it all around.
I agree with that statement, icedawg. A consideration for the future is necessary. |
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"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" - Groucho Marx
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gragl
I think of life as an eternal cycle. Your past affects your present, your present affects your future. All your future can be justified with your past. I believe in destiny as a mission. But HOW will you complete this mission is up to you. You'll never fail, even if you want to. |
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Spots of love in a deep and red scarlet...
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I existed in the past, and my decisions back then shaped my present. Treat the present as the futures past, and you'll see his point. |
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"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read" - Groucho Marx
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Each new day is a chance to turn it all around.
I agree. You can live in the present, but the present is always progressing into the future, so you, as well, are moving into the future. And as long as you are moving into the future, your actions are having an effect on it--meaning that you are influencing the future, though you may indeed be short-sighted. |
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As others have said, there is only right now. The past and future exist only as constructs of our minds; limited by the contemporary notion of time. I will put aside any theory on parallel universes for the moment and assume that this world follows a linear timeline. Within that timeline fate does exist as well as free-will. To illustrate my point, please ponder the following: |
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*speaker voice* |
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I woke up one morning and had made a song in my head. At first I did not realize the spin on word I had put on it. |
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[Moved to Philosophy] |
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I wasn't normally into this sort of debate until I was exposed to some of these theories of space and time at the Dream and Awakening camp this past November. Russel Targ was the guest speaker and spoke mostly about remote viewing and how it worked. Now, you don't necessarily have to believe in that sort of thing, but his presentation and experiments helped give me a better sense of what the future really is. |
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If the future is just in your head, why don't you let your mind suck up the excess billions of tons of carbon dioxide that humans have polluted into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution so that our ice caps don't melt in 60-100 years. Really, I can understand the philosophical attraction of the idea that everything is just an illusion and all in your head. It makes the world far less threatening when you feel it is under your control. But honestly, our actions today do have consequences tomorrow (and the next day and the day after), and those consequences, whether you pretend they will come to pass or not, will one day sneak up the pipes in your toilet as you sit there contemplating the eternal now and bite you in the ass. They’ll bite all of us in the ass. Foresight may not be the most developed human ability (and certainly isn't, if history is any indication), but if we do not wish to destroy ourselves, this planet, and everything on it, we're going to have stop pretending that living just for the moment is an acceptable way to govern both our lives and our civilizations. |
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“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world's problems.
- Mohandas Gandhi
the viewpoint that there exists only the present doesn't cause you to be irresponsible. if you're irresponsible, you'll be irresponsible regardless. if you're responsible, you'll be responsible regardless. if you take the notion that the "now" is all that exists and use it as an excuse to party down and act like an idiot, you haven't accepted that idea--you still know there is a future and you are pretending it doesn't exist for the sake of acting like a jerk. it's not the same thing. also, being that my mind creates the illusion of past and future, just as everyone else's does, i can't honestly say that i don't "believe" in the future, because that's a large portion of what my life is based around...however, it's a change in perspective i'm striving towards. |
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gragl
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The thing that pisses me off the most in these discussions is that people inevitably bring what they would like to be true. |
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“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world's problems.
- Mohandas Gandhi
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