Thread: Are You Truly Self-aware?

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Why should such a state have love, hate or any other emotion. I thought the state is consciousness itself, like the soul, the observer. Isn't everything else like the material subconscious thing. What do you have left when you get rid of everything?

Let me try again to convey what has been experienced.

Love and hate, compassion, cruelty, fear, anxiety, and such, are all what are labeled emotion. Each variation is also a label, labels that are associated with the illusion.Thats all they are, labels and all thoughts and ideas associated with the labels.

Rather than being different things, all are one thing. All are energy of Self, all are Self. What we see as the labels are just differences in how that one energy is resonating within. Truly, outside the illusion labels and all the ideas associated with them are meaningless.

In the state of Being I describe, I say compassion, Love and Bliss as that is the closest description in relation to the illusion to what the energy is resonating like within in that state. Be aware of your emotions as they burst forth without getting caught up in them. Take a moment and really feel them within. See what there is to see there.

In that state there are no thoughts of such labels or anything relating to them. No thoughts at all, as there is no consciousness to think a thought on. Awareness is all there is. Non discerning, non judgemental awareness. Try for a moment and grasp that.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

In the state of Being I describe, I say compassion, Love and Bliss as that is the closest description in relation to the illusion to what the energy is resonating like within in that state.

So this state is likened to an emotion?

If not, invent a word, put it in the dictionary, create its definition, and then describe it to us.

Originally Posted by really

So this state is likened to an emotion?

If not, invent a word, put it in the dictionary, create its definition, and then describe it to us.

Completely embracing orgasmic wholeness. Purity beyond verbal comprehension.

Interesting. So both you, cloudWalker and NonDualistic are always experiencing this? Is it hard to sustain, or is the feeling automatically maintained because of its greatness?

Originally Posted by really

Interesting. So both you, cloudWalker and NonDualistic are always experiencing this? Is it hard to sustain, or is the feeling automatically maintained because of its greatness?

I can no way near maintain this state consistently yet...

Only sometimes an experience of such through meditation.

Originally Posted by really

So this state is likened to an emotion?

If not, invent a word, put it in the dictionary, create its definition, and then describe it to us.

Really, what Cloudwalker said is about the closest comparrison to what its like feeling wise. There is no word for it. All one can do is describe what in physical existance it can be closest compared to, and then such a comparrison still falls short.

Originally Posted by really
Interesting. So both you, cloudWalker and NonDualistic are always experiencing this? Is it hard to sustain, or is the feeling automatically maintained because of its greatness?

Again, as Cloudwalker stated, it has been thus the same here.

Knowledge of this State of Presence/Awareness, the actuality of the experience of being that State of Being has been seared into the consciousness and its memory.
From that moment, one realizes that one is that state and always has been and never will not be. However, maintaining such realization while in form is something that takes practice, and its not a practice of effort, its a practice of relaxiation and letting go, letting go of all the conditioning of physical existance and the distractions therin.
Through meditation it is possible for one to drop the illusion so completely that one in form can experience this State for brief moments. Its like the rays of the sun shining through momentary holes in the clouds.
Basically one has to let go of the conditioned idea of who they are, a construct that has been built or aquired since birth into form. Such is the "egocentric" self, the idea that you are this body, its personality, its posessions, its reputation, likes, dislikes, aspirations, passions, wants, desires, attachments, etc etc etc. This construct must fade and for all intents and purposes "die" to fully maintain such Self realization while the body yet lives.
For some, meditation means seclusion.: ie examples of Buddhist monks living in caves away from distraction. For the practitioner of Dzogchen, it means incorporating the State of Presence/Awareness into ones daily life. Life and all its activities becomes a constant unbroken state of meditation. Herein is where I am now, in this practice of letting go and incorporation.

It's a feeling that falls short of any words hence my whole, 'happiness' tattoo on the back of the neck thing. That's my easiest way of summing up that feeling to me.
Having complete inner balance. Something that is lost no matter how slightly when we choose to come back to the discourse of the duality. Making that feeling become something intangible, unable to be expressed to others, and always just out of ones' grasp.

You can always turn inward and return to that state whenever you like, though. And, that's the idea.

Now it's time to feed your gillets with some Terrence McKenna...

"Culture denies experience...Cultures put in place...a paradigm. And, then what fits within the cultural paradigm is accentuated and stressed. And, what doesn't fit inside the cultural paradigm is denied, marginalized, and argued against. And, we live at the end of a thousand year binge on the philosophical position known as...Materialism, and it's many guises. And, the basic message of materialism is that the world is what it appears to be, a thing composed of matter, and pretty much confined to it's surface..." -Terrence McKenna

The World and its Double Pt.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

~Enjoy!

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Now it's time to feed your gillets with some Terrence McKenna...

"Culture denies experience...Cultures put in place...a paradigm. And, then what fits within the cultural paradigm is accentuated and stressed. And, what doesn't fit inside the cultural paradigm is denied, marginalized, and argued against. And, we live at the end of a thousand year binge on the philosophical position known as...Materialism, and it's many guises. And, the basic message of materialism is that the world is what it appears to be, a thing composed of matter, and pretty much confined to it's surface..." -Terrence McKenna

The World and its Double Pt.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

~Enjoy!

Terence Mckenna is a genius.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Now it's time to feed your gillets with some Terrence McKenna...

"Culture denies experience...Cultures put in place...a paradigm. And, then what fits within the cultural paradigm is accentuated and stressed. And, what doesn't fit inside the cultural paradigm is denied, marginalized, and argued against. And, we live at the end of a thousand year binge on the philosophical position known as...Materialism, and it's many guises. And, the basic message of materialism is that the world is what it appears to be, a thing composed of matter, and pretty much confined to it's surface..." -Terrence McKenna

The World and its Double Pt.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

~Enjoy!

I want to note that this is edging to debate on the nature of our existance. I want to know what it is you are proposing what a "good" life is; how we 'ought' to live. You showed that it is by realizing that there is no truth. Furthermore, you added that society functions as a machine to propogate materialism and beliefs in order to alienate irrelevant beliefs.

While I agree with this, I must argue that you are subject to doing the very samething. I worry that your argument is unfalsifiable in the sense that there is nothing I can do to show that your argument is incorrect. You would likely respond by saying that I am attempting to reach a truth that does not exist; a pragmatic approach to nonduality. However, I would say that it is your endeavour to show that truth does not exist that is the very problem in itself.

Believe me, seek my old posts on the fact that language is not transcendental to show how I hold truth can not be expressed by humans. The nature of things (what truth desires to be via human expression) can only be experienced. Your idea of this is evident, but we differ on our methods to attain this understanding.

I await your response before elaborating..

What do you think...?
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