Thread: War on the WRONG drugs

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I have never had a spiked drug. I think that is just a scare tactic. Why would dealers put more drugs in the drugs they are giving you? They would just be loosing money.

Come on, you don't actually think he was talking about more expensive drugs? Speed is cheaper then coke, it shares a few of the effects. I heard most coke was mixed with speed.

Drugs are sold per gram. Everything that you can add to the drug, that can make you sell more drugs, with relatively few complains, is Way easy money.

Although, friends are often guilty of doing it to eachother, which often have terrible consequences. I once had a friend freak out terribly because she smoked a joint laced with Ketamine. It was an awful situation.

Yeah I saw a documentary about that. Isn't Ketamine an animal tranquillizer? Why smoke That? : ) But yea, giving people drugs without their knowledge must Suck HARD for those people. Tiz' badddd.

yea, ketamine is an animal tranq. She was freaking out like I have never seen. Hysterical crying and everything. I was scared, too.

Speed is cheep, huh? How do you make this stuff?

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I have never had a spiked drug. I think that is just a scare tactic. Why would dealers put more drugs in the drugs they are giving you? They would just be loosing money.

Although, friends are often guilty of doing it to eachother, which often have terrible consequences. I once had a friend freak out terribly because she smoked a joint laced with Ketamine. It was an awful situation.

Psychedelic mushrooms are more expensive than taking a few fungi, lacing them with acid, and calling it "shrooms." Half the people won't know the difference.

Originally Posted by starrynight

Psychedelic mushrooms are more expensive than taking a few fungi, lacing them with acid, and calling it "shrooms." Half the people won't know the difference.

This may be 1 reason why people have different experiences on shrooms. I picked my own, and what it did was morph real objects (ie. limbs on trees would wave and such). Other people report seeing things that are'nt there, which sounds more like acid.

Still, no psycadellic beats Salvia Divinorum. Thats some crazy stuff.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Come on, you don't actually think he was talking about more expensive drugs? Speed is cheaper then coke, it shares a few of the effects. I heard most coke was mixed with speed.

Drugs are sold per gram. Everything that you can add to the drug, that can make you sell more drugs, with relatively few complains, is Way easy money.

Yes, there are sites such as this http://www.ecstasydata.org/ where you can see the contents of various types of xtc ( based on the picture on the tablet ) that were analized. xtc is supposed to contain MDMA, but most of these contain lots of other stuff such as caffeine and speed.

Other people report seeing things that are'nt there, which sounds more like acid.

Just for the record, that never happens. People who report seeing actual physical beings on shrooms (and even acid, to an extent) are greatly exaggerating their experience. You never see little gnomes running out of your closet or pink spiders with Christina Aguilera's face dangling from your ceiling.

Personally, I think it'd be smarter to legalize weed, crime would go down (take a look at Amsterdam), money could be spent and go towards government as well as having it safely grown, but until that day comes I won't cry about it. I smoke weed without having to worry about that kind of stuff (hooray for B.C.).

Now, coke and meth and shit like that, it's probably for the best if it weren't around. It can really get the best of people.

Originally Posted by Neruo

And I think alcohol would be used somewhat less if drugs became legal. Quite a few people drink not for fun, but to get hammered. With legal drugs, they can get hammered in an other, (often safer) way.

I think the alcohol companies know that and it has something to do with why most recreational drugs are illegal. The alcohol companies probably pay off the politicians to keep other drugs illegal. I know that when I can't find pot, I will do something else in its place. Usually it is alcohol. There is a ton of alcohol money that results from the times people can't find their drugs of choice. The beer and liquor companies don't want to give that money up.

Originally Posted by dodobird

Yes, there are sites such as this http://www.ecstasydata.org/ where you can see the contents of various types of xtc ( based on the picture on the tablet ) that were analized. xtc is supposed to contain MDMA, but most of these contain lots of other stuff such as caffeine and speed.

Ah, that is pretty interesting. But it's just ridiculous, it makes XTC so much more dangerous if you mix shit with it. Pure XTC is relatively safe, some study showed recently. But I guess that was about Pure XTC. Damned drug-laws creating criminal drug producers.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

This may be 1 reason why people have different experiences on shrooms. I picked my own, and what it did was morph real objects (ie. limbs on trees would wave and such). Other people report seeing things that are'nt there, which sounds more like acid.

Still, no psycadellic beats Salvia Divinorum. Thats some crazy stuff.

Yeah, from what I heard, that does sound more like acid. But Cold Blooded: From what I heard, Acid can really take your imagination far. Okay, maybe you will not actually see giant dinosaurs, but couldn't you mistake your house for a very real-looking dinosaur on acid?

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

yea, ketamine is an animal tranq. She was freaking out like I have never seen. Hysterical crying and everything. I was scared, too.

Speed is cheep, huh? How do you make this stuff?

http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/speedy_drugs/speed1.html

Google rules. However, I don't advise you to make speed. It sounds like a really silly drug to me. And yeah, I can believe hysterically crying woman can really kill your buzz But I am sure she was fine after a while.

Don't a lot of people just freak out on drugs, while actually they aren't really in health-risk, they just feel like they are? Yeah I am pretty certain of that. Another reason to take drugs in a good environment, and know how much it really is you are taking.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think the alcohol companies know that and it has something to do with why most recreational drugs are illegal. The alcohol companies probably pay off the politicians to keep other drugs illegal. I know that when I can't find pot, I will do something else in its place. Usually it is alcohol. There is a ton of alcohol money that results from the times people can't find their drugs of choice. The beer and liquor companies don't want to give that money up.

Yes, quite true. Alcohol companies really benefit from illegal drugs... I don't know exactly how far they will go, but I do think it is very probably they have some influence on politics (by bribing them) or something. Strange, you can believe that Such things are happening in American politics, but you can't believe they might be lying to you deliberately and such? : )

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Hmm. Thinking about alcohol: is Absinthe legal where you guys live? It's legal in the Netherlands now, but I heard it wasn't a few years ago. Also, the more extreme kind is still illegal (like 85% pure alochol, lol). A lot of painters used it for inspiration or something. Also, absinthe is said to make you hallucinate a bit.

It tastes like bleach, by the way.

Neruo, I read that link about making meth, and that is really complicated. If I wanted speed, I could just lie about having ADD and get prescribed Adderal, and not risk blowing myself up.

BUT, I'm not a big fan of amphetamines.

And no, Absinthe is not legal here.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Neruo, I read that link about making meth, and that is really complicated. If I wanted speed, I could just lie about having ADD and get prescribed Adderal, and not risk blowing myself up.

BUT, I'm not a big fan of amphetamines.

You did ask for the recepy : )

I am sure speed is cheaper to produce than cocaine, if you are willing (read: stupid) enough to take the risks.

And no, Absinthe is not legal here.

Hmm. Silly. Well, I don't think you're missing much. Beer is better anyway.

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ANYHOW. I found this article thingy about how bad smoking tobacco is, and how bad smoking weed is. I myself actually thought smoking marijuana was worse, because I heard there was more tar in it. However, those 'results' from an 'experiment' were based on Only looking at how much tar there was in the plant itself, while actually the bud is smoked. And the bud holds less tar than tobacco.

However, that isn't even the point. According to this article, it is the radioactivity in smoke that gives you lung cancer. Radioactivity, that comes from stuff they spray on tobacco to make it grow better/kill bugs or something.

Also in the article, they said that all major tobacco companies refused to give all information about what they put in tobacco, or even left the country. If it's all true, than tobacco companies are giving people cancer, just so they can make cheaper tobacco.

I kind of Hope it is not true, but I am afraid it is. Damn, I am glad I don't smoke cigarettes. Fucking tobacco companies.

Well, tobacco companies want their users to be alive and smoking. They would make higher profits if the plant were safe and nobody would die.

From what I know about tobacco, people died of lung cancer before the tobacco was being treated with that shit, so I think the plant does it.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Strange, you can believe that Such things are happening in American politics, but you can't believe they might be lying to you deliberately and such? : )

Oh God, please don't start an Iraq argument here. Those seem to pop up in every thread now. Yes, I think politicians lie. I just don't think that claiming WMD's were in Iraq was a lie because... Well, you know my arguments on that. Now, back to the drugs. Absinthe is illegal here, but there is some imitation stuff that is legal. I've never tried it. Have you ever had real absinthe? I have never talked to anybody about a first hand experience on it. Is it better than vodka and tequila?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Oh God, please don't start an Iraq argument here. Those seem to pop up in every thread now. Yes, I think politicians lie. I just don't think that claiming WMD's were in Iraq was a lie because... Well, you know my arguments on that. Now, back to the drugs. Absinthe is illegal here, but there is some imitation stuff that is legal. I've never tried it. Have you ever had real absinthe? I have never talked to anybody about a first hand experience on it. Is it better than vodka and tequila?

I just drank a small amount of it. It's just alcohol. All alcohol is basically the same. Expect for taste. And I don't even really like vodka and such, so absinthe tasted pretty crappy if you ask me.

Also, I have no idea how much one would have to drink for the said hallucinogenic compound in absinthe to do anything. And even then, I don't see the fun in it Probably it just gives you a huge headache later on.

You can make absinthe from worm-wood. I think someone ( SKA? ) posted how he's done that.

About the tobacco VS. weed: I don't know about other places, but where I live most people smoke a mix of about 50% weed 50% tobacco , so that when they smoke weed they get lots of tobacco.
So maybe they even get more tar than a cigarette dew to lack of proper filter.
I think they mix the weed with tobacco to make it burn better, and to soften the effect of the weed, as the tobacco counters it.

enethogens should be legalized, mainly because in this western society we're all far to engrossed in our lives, running around accomplishing materialistic targets and piling on stress. Ganja just calms things down, it slows life down. Mans been smoking herb since the beggining of time. Its natural.

However, we all know that weed is not going to be legalized anytime in the future.

Ive drank absinthe here in the UK and its not all that great.

My sister went to Amsterdam and drank absinthe, and she said it didn't do anything beyond alcohol.

it doenst really, its just alcohol but gets you drunk quicker, I dont see what the hypes about to be honest.
For those who have drank sambuka absinthe doesnt really touch it =)

On the topic of spiking from above, weed peddlers everywhere are dipping buddha in liquid X nowadays. Its cheap and has some crazy effects.

I suppose weed being illegal is good for people like me, it means we can get hold even though we're underage.
I would still however prefer to see it legalized.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN ABOUT WEED HISTORY, GO TO THE HISTORY CHANNEL NOW (Central or East coast time)

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

My sister went to Amsterdam and drank absinthe, and she said it didn't do anything beyond alcohol.

Its possible that it wasn't actually made with wormwood, as most absinthes aren't anymore. Wormwood contains chemicals similar to THC and can cause mild hallucinations if you drink enough.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Its possible that it wasn't actually made with wormwood, as most absinthes aren't anymore. Wormwood contains chemicals similar to THC and can cause mild hallucinations if you drink enough.

Is wormwood itself legal in the United States?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Is wormwood itself legal in the United States?

I read up a little on it, and apparently to get the effect you have to distill it, much like making your own alcohol. So, it wouldnt make sense for it to be illegal, unless the government would outlaw things like coconuts and grapes.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Is wormwood itself legal in the United States?

Wormwood is on this website's list of 'legal highs' so if they are correct, then it is not illegal to grow the actual plant.

Absinthe was illegal to manufacture, sell, or import in to the United States; but not to own or consume. According to this article a loophole was found that stated that it is illegal to have quantities of thujone(the psychoactive chemical in wormwood) greater than 10mg per liter and old absinthe recipes contained less than that amount. Supposedly there is a company that has begun production of a legal absinthe containing legal levels of thujone called "Lucid."

This is the company's website. Apparently they are still small and so it can probably only be purchased in and around the New York City area, where they are based. The website doesn't list any retail stores outside of New York and there is no information on how to order it.

This retailer allows you to order it for $59.99 a bottle. All of the retail prices look to be about the same, and they also seem to have free express shipping; at least to my location.

Edit: if I didn't know better myself, I would say it looks like I work for the company.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Wormwood is on this website's list of 'legal highs' so if they are correct, then it is not illegal to grow the actual plant.

Absinthe was illegal to manufacture, sell, or import in to the United States; but not to own or consume. According to this article a loophole was found that stated that it is illegal to have quantities of thujone(the psychoactive chemical in wormwood) greater than 10mg per liter and old absinthe recipes contained less than that amount. Supposedly there is a company that has begun production of a legal absinthe containing legal levels of thujone called "Lucid."

This is the company's website. Apparently they are still small and so it can probably only be purchased in and around the New York City area, where they are based. The website doesn't list any retail stores outside of New York and there is no information on how to order it.

This retailer allows you to order it for $59.99 a bottle. All of the retail prices look to be about the same, and they also seem to have free express shipping; at least to my location.

Edit: if I didn't know better myself, I would say it looks like I work for the company.

Excellent news. Thanks!

To Prepare Absinthe by Distillation:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...34977&p=416292