Thread: Consciousness shift - 2012 or not

I want a poll-option named. No, nothing is going to happen, and stop hoping for and trying to predict 'superduper' cool things to happen for the human race.

The irony is that we have got so far because we rejected the ancedotal and the paranormal/supernatural. I guess your correct as most people will be scientifically stupid by that time, now this would not be a good thing.

Either that or we will be truly lost.

I know because science is so crap, you know sitting here looking at your computer typing and really wanting the paranormal to be true.

Its only a matter of time before psychic phenomena is brought to attention

Have you seen T.V. these days. Medium, Derek acorah, celebrity ghost hunter, most hauted, psychic T.V. chats e.t.c.
So if you haven't heard of psychic phenomena then I really(insert witty comment).

I ask myself, if I've gotten where I am today, then whats stopping everyone else?

Common sense, a IQ above 100, scientific reasoning(the thing that gave us computers), looking at the claims in more detail, Derren Brown,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40763&hl=en-GB
Richard Dawkings Enermies of reason. The point is that everyone proberly would abandon reason for irrationality, however belife in something does not make it true. That where science comes in, although in the UK physics has halfed and psychics supersition has become popular. This is not a good thing.

I want a poll-option named. No, nothing is going to happen, and stop hoping for and trying to predict 'superduper' cool things to happen for the human race.

I agree.

any time anybody makes a thread others dont agree with, all they get is a barrage of rudeness

any time anybody makes a thread others dont agree with, all they get is a barrage of rudeness

(Insert witty reply)

Uh... thanks for all those utterly pointless and rude posts.

Now, for everyone who isn't a totally close minded asshole, the reason I think we are facing a global shift in consciousness is because I personally know for a fact that psychic phenomena is real and have gone through many things that most people never even experience throughout their entire life. People like me will spread this knowledge and demonstrate undeniable proof to others, and so on and so forth. The internet has provided a resource which allows people to learn about basically anything that humans have discovered.

Our society just isn't working. I don't know how much longer our race can live this way, but I fear it is not very long. With all the hatred and WMDs in the world, we could destroy ourselves at any moment. We need to change, and soon.

Not really on topic, but id love to hear more about these paranormal things you have expeirenced and the scenario surrounding them. The reason being, I find mylsef increasingly curious about higher states of conciousness and ahcieeving these states. i am however a skeptic by nature, maybe a firsthand expeireince would help tip the blanace slighlty. Care to elaborate on your experisnces? And please dont tell me about spirits wrapping there arms around you while you sleep :p (Reference to that Vee character)

Lets see here... I've written my experiences on some other topic... here they are:

Yes. For quite some time I could move the psi wheel which ever direction I wished, and at the same time freaked out many of my fellow class mates (this was at school... nobody excepted I wasn't faking it, dispite my efforts).

During this time I became very depressed due to being alone in my quest to discover the mysteries of what we call "consciousness". This ended, along with my psionics studys, when I switched schools and was introduced to the world pf psychedelics. After my first experience on marijuana I had found an excape from the harsh reality of life and began using everyday. I quit praticing psionics during this time, but never forgot about them. After my first DXM experience I realized that psychedelic drugs were directly connected to higher states of consciousness and ego loss. I would go on and off practicing TK but found that no advancement would be possible when I was stoned all the time. I had almost forgotten about psionics when I reached the worse point of my addiction. I was incrediably depressed, I was loosing faith in psionics and although I had see and done things myself, it was not enough proof. I felt like a priest who had lost god, and I was far to lost in haze of marijuana to find it again. I lost myself in my depression, stopped going to school, and eventually was sent off to rehabilitation. It was those three months in rehabilitation that I would consider to be the wierdest three months I've ever experienced up to now. The story would be a long one if I were to type it up right now, so I'm going to cut it down drastically. I went there, sobered up, made many close friends, and, most importantly, experienced telekinesis, telepathy, spirit communication and love as I have never experienced it before. It was a major turning point in my life, although it didn't physically manifest into my personality until about a year after I got out. During that year I started smoking lots and lots of weed again, and eventually dwelved into the most dangerous addiction I've ever been through: The Devil's Ether. But unlike before, I never lost hope, and never forgot about what happened during those three months, although many times through the own haze of my drug use I wondered if those three months even happened, or if I was crazy. It took a mind blowing OBE to allow me to fully except those three months, aand after that I finally had found some peace. After that OBE my entire psyche excepted the reality of collective consciousness and psionics 100%, which also changed me a great deal. I practiced on and off, but it never really worked out. I was just smoking way to much weed, you know? But I got it strait through my mind that my drug abuse would have to stop, abruptly, before I could persue life's mysteries seriously and take my psionic and meditation practice seriously also. I made a decision at the start of the summer, a decision that still stands strong today. Come end of summer (getting nearer, nearer and nearer...) I will stop using drugs in lesuire and abuse, and begin my sober journey into the realms of the unknown. I have learned much throughout my drug use and don't regret a single bit of it, besides perhaps the ether (now thats one HELL of a drug!). I have learnt the rolls that psychedelics play in spiritual developement, and will never completely stop using them. In moderation these psychoactives can be extremely benificial by allowing you to shed your ego and view things on a whole new spectrum, and in certain cases access realms beyond that of the physical, but in abuse they can make you loose your mind, quite literally.

I've been researching and practicing (on and off... marijuana use doesn't work well with psionic practice) for 4 years now. I'll tell you everything I've experienced that has changed my entire world view (basically every psychic experience I've had).

When I first started all I knew about was lucid dreaming, and it wasn't long until I had a few of my own. It was through searching this site for techniques that I could use to communicate with my long-lost girlfriend that led me to a post about astral projection. Once I understood what it was, I became fascinated with the idea. Every sense I was a young child I wondered if there was more to life then Christianity and what was right in front of me. I feared death in particular. After discovering astral projection I bought Robert Bruce's book, "Astral Dynamics". I read it with extreme interest, and on a trip with my father to Florida I had my first OBE. It happened on the way back home, when we stopped at a hotel. That night I had a lucid dream, and because the entire trip I was obsessing of OBEs (I had read you could project via lucid dream), I tried to project from the lucid dream. It worked, and I ended up stuck at the end of the bed in utter amazement. It was only until later that afternoon that I remembered it. After that I knew OBEs were real, I didn't know for sure if they were just lucid dreams, but I knew it was possible. After that I threw my Christian beliefs in the garbage, and began my journey into the unknown. After that I discovered the Wingmaker's website and the Psipog website. I practiced psi-balls for a while on and off, and I also tried telekinesis. The first thing I was able to do was put out matches, and later I became pretty good at spinning the pin-wheel. For a while I could change the direction it spun. I also did minor aura viewing and was able to see colors around people, but it was never clear to me if I was seeing auras or just after images. At this point I was pretty sure psionics existed, but not positive. Many times I would loose faith and become terribly depressed. My quest for knowledge and the mysterious was not an easy one, expecially because I was trapped in a private school where I had only one friend (it was fun to show them the pin wheel, they never accepted that I wasn't faking it somehow, but it was amusing none the less). Me and that one friend were both depressed and generally pissed off people. It didn't take long for me and him to discover what people call "psychic vampirism". Of course, its nothing like fictional vampirism. Psychic Vampirism refers to people who have a rip or tear in their aura, resulting in negative psychological effects. These people had to feed off of energy from various sources. I became fascinated with this idea and soon I was feeding as much as I could off of other kids. Once me and my friend (Shay) fed off this kid together and the poor guy fell asleep during a test... hehehe. I was good at feeding and was almost positive I had a tear in my aura (it was more of a power thing, and I knew it). I later dropped vampirism. I still believe that people may exist who have naturally low energy and need to feed off of other source to balance themselves, but as for me I know now I was simply depressed and the idea of being a "psychic vampire" excited my ego and gave me a sense of power. I stuck to it so long because it made me feel good, and feeding does give you a rush of energy. Anyways, the next big thing that happened to me was a astonishing change in my ability to run. I had gained an interest in biokinesis (which I learned of from wingmakers), and had tried it many times with no sucess. One night I attempted to increase my ability to run through biokinesis. I later forgot about it. About a week later I noticed I could stand in one spot for even as short as a couple minutes, because my feet would ache with horrible pain. There was about a week of that, and then one day, it stopped. That day I had a very strong urge to run, so I did. To my utter amazement I could run like the wind, faster then I've ever ran before. I felt like a god damn pro runner! I knew it was from the biokinesis and I asked Shay if he wanted to race (Shay was one of the fastest kids at school, and this school was big on sports). He agreed and we started running. It didn't take long for me to take the lead, he even through something in my face to slow me down and I still kicked his ass. That was one of my first major psionic breakthroughs.

I later left that school and entered a public school. That was when I was introduced to drugs. To make it simple, psychedelics taught me how to seperate myself from the ego and the illusions of the ego. This changed me drastically and me entire world view changed. Unfortunantly my use got a little out of control and I was sent to rehab. There I saw many amazing things. I don't want to explain everything in detail because it would take to long, so I'll cut it down. A skitzo friend I made there managed to kill several ants with his mind, and one time he brought it back, controlled it, and killed it again. He also fucked with some kind of negative spirit and a girls I was close with there got attacked several times in her dreams by a tall dark figure, and everytime she would feel the pain inflicted on her in the dream the next day. It ended in a violent psychic attack when she suffered unexplainable pain and looked so bad I thought she was going to die.

Another one of the staff members there demonstrated telekinesis for me (he had seen me practicing the pin wheel) by moving a key back and forth on the see through table, outside in the cold with another witness. That stay in rehab changed my life... it proved psychic phenomena to me and got me interested in it again like never before (before I got sent away my drug use was so severe I began to forget about psionics).

When I got back I dedicated myself to the whole area of psionics and consciousness. Of course I got back into drugs but this time never forgot about psionics, and swore that I would one day quit drugs and pursue psychic phenomena. I went on and off practicing telekinesis and psiballs. I got pretty good at psi balls to the point where I could feel a strong magnetic field between my hands. Eventually I became depressed again and even with all the amazing things I had seen I still felt I couldn't KNOW psionics and astral projection were real. I simply needed more experience, and that was basically impossible because I was stoned out of my mind every day. It was one night of intense dispare and total sobriety that I had a OBE that changed everything. This OBE was special. I completely missed the exit and only became conscious in the OBE in the middle of it. Of course I had no idea I was in a OBE or even a dream, I thought I was in waking reality. Everything looked completely in place and I was on the middle floor of my house (I was sleeping on the top). I remember walking across my living room when all the sudden intense vibrations covered my entire body. Because I had no idea what was going on at the time, I thought, "Jesus, I must be extremely fucked up or something!". I walked forward more and more until I reached the front door and I could go any further. My entire body became paralized and was rushing with vibrations. Slowly I began to lift up off the floor and through the ceiling. I clearly remember my real-time double sifting positions to the position of my physical body, going through the ceiling and entering my physical body. Right when I got back I awoke with utter amazement. I knew something had happened, so I made a mental note and went back to sleep. In the morning I remembered everything perfectly (except the exit). The thing that really amazed me was that later that day I physically re-enacted the projection and discovered that the vibrations started when I was about 20 feet away from my sleeping body on the top floor. Then I noticed that exactly where I became paralized was RIGHT underneath my physical body. I had experience the silver cord phenomena, actual energetic phenomena, without knowing I was even in an OBE, therefore its impossible that my mind created it. That was the final straw. After that I was 100% positive that psionics and astral projection were real. I finally had found some peace.

"Higher consciousness" is a wonderful idea, and I would really like for it to exist.

However, no one has, as yet, ever provided me with a shred of valid evidence to support the idea of a non-physical component to human beings.

I'm going to keep from voting on the grounds that I haven't fully heard your reasoning yet. All I ask is that you give me one, just one, piece of valid evidence in support of the existence of a non-physical component to human beings.

Our society just isn't working. I don't know how much longer our race can live this way, but I fear it is not very long. With all the hatred and WMDs in the world, we could destroy ourselves at any moment. We need to change, and soon.

The rational mind. Do you know your using a computer? Now a computer connects you to the world. However, do you know the history of the computer. From Babbage to Turing, Turing basically invented the modern computer. Now this connected the revolution of what your speaking about, not a woo or mystical revolution, thousands of mind connecting in a single greate consciousness. However, you don't even understand the nature of consciousness, we our computer Turing knew this. What you are looking at now reading this is basically a computer, your nothing but a computer. No soul, instead of chips and metal we have neurones and neural networks.

Where is your evidence? How can we take something so stupid seriously. If you gave one piece of decent evidence like thegnome54 said then maybe your revolution will happen. However, I really see nothing for you. Have you really changed in the past five years, your long search for belife and certainty and hope. I think not.

We just biological objects, not a god or spirit given being. You wasted five years of your life.

The problem with psychic claims, is that they never change the people never change. I have proberly change the most in this forum, and people with belife in paranormal never change. I think it because they have certainty, well wer has certainty. But, I guess science is not certainty. If you look at the theories that science has now from Evolution to quantum mechanics to big bang, uncertainty at its best. I heard from Oneironaut post about a piece of research that says that inorganic matter and plasma can form a DNA like stucture and show evolution, this is beauty and knowledge not some crappy psi wheel(heat) or claims of astral projection(i.e. dreams) or even psychic(Derren Brown).

Well, that my two cent

However, no one has, as yet, ever provided me with a shred of valid evidence to support the idea of a non-physical component to human beings.

Try this, if you can do it...sit down somewhere quiet, alone...serene and comfortable, sober. Turn off your mind...all the chatter, don't think about not thinking, just turn it off, let it go. Just be conscious of what you feel. It might help to close your eyes while laying down in darkness.

All I ask is that you give me one, just one, piece of valid evidence in support of the existence of a non-physical component to human beings.

You can't see it until you feel it.

The problem with psychic claims, is that they never change the people never change. I have proberly change the most in this forum, and people with belife in paranormal never change. I think it because they have certainty, well wer has certainty. But, I guess science is not certainty.

A lot of science is hit and miss evolution...but you can't change the truth.

You can't see it until you feel it.

In the history of humaity, does irrationallity ever change. Have you ever seen a person who fell in love we a complete idiot, you know the people. Everyone else can see that the person is a complete idiot and yet the person who loves them is blind. Have you ever been in love? I have. Although the feeling is not a accurate picture of reality, just a romantic one.

A lot of science is hit and miss evolution...but you can't change the truth.

Yes, but science is evolution. Evolution is alive, evolution is change. If you don't change your views, then what is truth but a fix concept. Truth is dead, if it doesn't embody change. And change is good, even when it means death. The computer in front of you was formed by science and the medicine you take when ill was formed by science. Does medicine improve, yes. Does psychic claims ever evolve, no they stay the same.

I must say, wendylove, impressive argument really. But take a step back for a second. I'll use your analogies.

The computer improves as our understanding of matter, electricity, and other things grows. Medicine also is improved because our understanding of viruses and such improve. But that doesn't mean that the remedies for these things didn't already exist. We didn't make them (obviously we make the medicine), but the concept that a combination of certain chemicals will cure a certain illness ALWAYS existed, we just discovered it.

Things in science do not evolve. Our understanding of how things work evolve, and therefore we are able to advance our technology of it. But there is very little, if any scientific knowledge of anything to do with higher consciousness, therefore our understanding of it is that it exists. It stays the same, because there is nothing prompting it to advance yet. And why is that? Simply because there are very few ways to prove any of this. 200 years ago if I told someone that if they took a little crumb filled with little white powder that it would cure their headache, they would have reacted the same way you are reacting now. It was completely illogical and scientifically impossible. How is this any different?

And I am still confused why many of you have a vendetta against those who believe in metaphysics. Why are you so hostile towards us? We are not calling you "fucking idiots", and "cracked-out kids" or any of the other just plain stupid insults I've heard from the many immature members of this forum when talking about us. We are not insulting you. We are not doing anything to you at all. Is it impossible for you all to be reasonable in your skepticism? Because in the event that some of this stuff is proven in the near future, who's going to look like the "fucking idiot"? Just a thought.

Of course none of you skeptics will answer, you never do. Why? Because you don't have a fucking reason for antagonizing us. Grow up, all of you. Then again I guess I can't tell you to act like adults, because many of you are adults, and you still act like fucking children.

In the history of humaity, does irrationallity ever change. Have you ever seen a person who fell in love we a complete idiot, you know the people. Everyone else can see that the person is a complete idiot and yet the person who loves them is blind. Have you ever been in love? I have. Although the feeling is not a accurate picture of reality, just a romantic one.

Yes I have seen people who lust after somebody for their looks and are in denial about what a jerk the person is...some move on and some don't. Spirituality isn't something you can find with science...if science is all you can understand, then your box has been manifested and you're blinded by the walls. The soul I feel is not an emotion, its totally transcendent of that.

Truth is dead, if it doesn't embody change.

I would certainly hope the truth would change a person.

And change is good, even when it means death.

Indeedy...(and no that wasn't meant sarcastic)

Does medicine improve, yes.

Sometimes it does, mostly it doesn't. One major problem with conventional health care is that is puts a patch on the symptoms and doesn't address the underlying disease. Treatment often becomes chemical warfare. Most health problems are caused by improper nutrition and poor lifestyle...but rarely, genetics are a factor.

Does psychic claims ever evolve, no they stay the same.

You can't change the truth now can you? But I suppose you'll invent some scientific thing to do that :p j/k

I can't provide anyone with legit proof over the internet, get that through your skulls.

Lamneth, meditation can easily be entirely in your physical brain. That in no way suggests a non-physical component.

Originally Posted by wer

I can't provide anyone with legit proof over the internet, get that through your skulls.

So I guess I have to be high on pot to understand this ultimate truth you've reached? You know, I try to be a bit respectful of people's ideas, but yours are quite transparently crack-headed fantasies. I'm not the one making extravagant claims here, you claimed at the start of this thread that you and many others had conclusive evidence of a higher being. If this evidence of yours is any good at all, you should be able to explain your reasoning to me.

If you can't, all you have is a meaningless drug-induced idea you've been fooled into thinking is 'deep'. As far as I'm concerned, drugs are not a gateway to deeper understanding, they just fuck with your head. It's like mashing a computer's keyboard with your fist and then expecting the resulting text to tell you the meaning of life.

all you have is a meaningless drug-induced idea you've been fooled into thinking is 'deep'.

I don't do drugs, and I believe that there is a higher consciousness to be reached.

There is higher consciousness but at this stage in my collection of wisdom I would have to guess that human consciousness will only change under extreme pressure such as mother earth going hay wire, and even then over many years.

Consider that our last astrological eon was Pisces. Nothing changed right away when Christ was born, but by the end of Pisces the flock religion had spread to nearly every corner of the world.

Lamneth, meditation can easily be entirely in your physical brain. That in no way suggests a non-physical component.

You didn't do it did you! :p

So, if you perceived something not by your normal senses (smell, touch, sight, sound, taste) how would you explain it?

Originally Posted by Lamneth-25

So, if you perceived something not by your normal senses (smell, touch, sight, sound, taste) how would you explain it?

It would be my imagination - neurons firing in my brain. That does not suggest a non-physical component.

Wow, Wer, I didn't know you were this delusional.

I am sorry, but you talk about your psiconics like a Christian talks about their god, and a muslim about their allah. At least, if they would be depressed.

"I almost lost my faith in psyconics." lol. Best line ever.

Don't mind-fuck yourself to much. Once you think you can actually launch visible 'psiballs', but no-one else can see them, it's time to visit MrDocterman.

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I wonder how my "close mind" will be flamed this time. "Oh yeah, I believe stuff I feel are true without anything but personal experience, ohhh, Now I have an open-mind." So open, it's drafty and your sanity flew away. =)

I just think your assumption that there is no point is life is depressing.

I just think your assumption that there is no point is life is depressing

Hey hey, Neuro is a very naughty boy. Now I assume Neuro is looking at porn and proberly trying to get laid at the weekend. Even if everything is pointless, pleasure still exist or meaning.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Wow, Wer, I didn't know you were this delusional.

I am sorry, but you talk about your psiconics like a Christian talks about their god, and a muslim about their allah. At least, if they would be depressed.

"I almost lost my faith in psyconics." lol. Best line ever.

Don't mind-fuck yourself to much. Once you think you can actually launch visible 'psiballs', but no-one else can see them, it's time to visit MrDocterman.

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I wonder how my "close mind" will be flamed this time. "Oh yeah, I believe stuff I feel are true without anything but personal experience, ohhh, Now I have an open-mind." So open, it's drafty and your sanity flew away. =)

Hmm, well the poll I set up begs to differ.

Also, I'm not saying that our race will have a sudden shift of consciousness by some "special end date". All I'm saying is that, eventually, the worlds consciousness will shift to a higher consciousness. Why do I believe this? Because I believe that myself and many others have already reached a higher level of consciousness, and that its just a matter of time, even evolution, before the vast majority has reached this same "heightened consciousness".

Call me crazy, I don't care, call me drug crazed, I don't care. Posting a bunch of rude bullshit, that I do care, and with all due respect, FUCK YOU. You are not welcome on this topic, in fact, anyone who is like you is not welcome on this topic, because nothing good will be said here unless the people saying it are open minded enough to even remotely consider the possibility of something like that happening. If your to immature to post a comment that actually offers some constructive criticism, then you are to immature to post on this topic, and for that matter, on the Philosophy, Extended Discussion and Beyond Dreaming threads as well.