Thread: Consciousness shift - 2012 or not

^depends on how you interperate the bible.
I dont think anything in the bible is 'literal'. If youre going to believe in God and the bible, it makes sense that God would have written it to make sense to people of any time period. for instance, (and i know it doesnt say this in the bible, just using it as an example), say 9/11 was talked about in the bible.
It would have said something about two birds of fire flying into those with their necks exposed etc.. some coded shit like that. but it has to. it couldnt say, two airplanes will fly into skyscrapers. because up until recently in human history, nobody could even imagine an airplane, shit wouldnt have made sense to anyone. but you can backtrack... you can watch two airplanes fly into the towers, and understand the birds of fire thing. you cant track forward.. you cant read of birds of fire and decide airplanes will be the physical form of that text. because wtf are airplanes?

^maybe all that is obvious, i just started typing and went with it.

A lot of what Ive read about 2012 talks about how we will percieve time differently. how it will stop being linear. well, whats the afterlife? eternity.
the actual definaition of "Apocolypse" is "an unveiling, or revealing".
revalations - revealing. it doesnt mean an "END" to anything.
so it makes sense that if the true nature of time is revealed, and it aint liner, it will be eternal. maybe the afterlife isnt shooting up to heaven and living in clouds, maybe its living right here forever. the apocoalypse isnt the world exploding, its us realizing our 'purpose' so to speak.

It also says in the bible, "those who love their life, will lose it. Those who hate their life will live it forever" (maybe not the exact words, but thats the sentiment). This makes me think of an old buddhist proverb.
One of buddhas deciples asks Buddha to show him heaven. Buddha agrees, but only if he can also show him Hell. The desciple agrees.
Buddha takes him to Hell first. Hell is a giant table with tons of great food and everyone is sitting around it. Everyone has giant forks for hands. Theyre all starving and desperately trying to eat the food, except their fork hands are too long to get the food to their mouths, so their going crazy trying to eat.
He then takes the desciple to heaven. Heaven is exactly the same as Hell, except everyone is sitting around the table, and using their long fork hands to feed eachother. "those who love their life will lose it". dont think it means you'll die, just that you'll start living your life for other people, and they'll do the same for you. we'll all feed eachother, instesad of ourselves.
This then plays into the return of Christ. Maybe Christ 'himself' doesnt show up. maybe a man doesnt come down from the sky, but he returns in our counciousness. Christ counciousness.

meh, i'll stop there.

For the record, I don't outright believe anything I just said, I just think its interesting to think about.

and wheres the "I don't know, it's a possibility" poll option? heh.

I don't know about you guys but I for one am hoping something drastic does happen on 2012

Originally Posted by wer

This is to everyone who has seen and experienced the reality of a higher consciousness, a force that expands beyond the physical brain. Over the years of human evolution (mental, that is) we have discovered so much. Its becoming more and more well known that we expand beyond our physical existence. Everyday more and more people are discovering the amazing potential of the human mind. We are evolving, oh yes thats for sure, at a rapid rate. In fact, many people in the past have already reached levels of consciousness and are truly enlightened, but as for the vast majority of out race - they have been blinded by society and its ego-powered illusions.

I hope, no, I prey that the world will change. Sometimes it seems to me inevitable. Its only a matter of time before psychic phenomena is brought to attention, and everyone knows what it is. I ask myself, if I've gotten where I am today, then whats stopping everyone else?

And sometimes it appears humanity has got to make one of two choices: advance, or destroy ourselfs. I believe there will be a consciousness shift, whether it happens around 2012 or not. Either that or we will be truly lost.

How far have you gotten?

The last time we had a solstice at the same time as galactic alignment was 12,800 years ago, roughly.

We are actually currently moving away from the galactic plane.

If anyone can please enlighten me on what all this galactic alignment is about please post it, because no were are not crossing the galactic plane in 2012. We are close to the galactic plane, maybe 30ly away, but we are moving away from it.

Originally Posted by blade5x

We are actually currently moving away from the galactic plane.

If anyone can please enlighten me on what all this galactic alignment is about please post it, because no were are not crossing the galactic plane in 2012. We are close to the galactic plane, maybe 30ly away, but we are moving away from it.

Every 26,000 years the earth sun and moon all allign in perfect synchronicity. The next time this will happen is on December 21/22 (don't know the exact day) 2012. Scientists say that the earth's poles could reverse themselves. Sounds impossible doesn't it? They have proof it's happened before and looks like it could happen again. Now this is what Scientists believe, purely free of any spiritualistic stuff. If you want to know more, research Nostradamus predictions, The Mayan predictions, Scientists predictions regarding 2012, I think there are biblical predictions as well, and last but not least...research this thing called the internet crawler (Some badass machine that reads every website known to man in a matter of days and goes crazy right before something catastrophic happens) and what it has to say about 2012.

Here's the conversation as I see it;

Believer: I ate some food and poop came out of my butt.

Non Believer: You're delusional, I've never eaten food before so poop doesn't exist.

(end)

Conscious shift in younger generation could be mapped out by social groups in schools. Baby New Year learned from Father Time. Kind of abstract.

Anyway, The minority has become the fad of the later generations. The Minority group when I was still in school were the smartest kids, and now I see them becoming more of an accepted and preferred mind set. I thought about this once, and haven't looked back at it, our written it down. But looking back now I think it went kind of like, the minority were outcasts in their own generation, "Exiled" to the newer generation who were influenced by the older generation.

This is just my personal perception, I don't know if it's consistent with Sociological Academia. I think if you look at the past, and look at social groups you might see that they started small and grew into the younger soon to be social groups.

More people are becoming diabetic earlier, younger people will recognize our diet and hygienic mistakes.

A conscious shift will definitely breed a more Health Conscious and Intellectually Driven than the youth is now.

my birthday is dec 21...2012 is gonna be a blast!

You ghuys need to watch osme shit on terrence mckenna and his timewave zero novelty theory. has to do with the beginning of the universe untill 20012.

also mind explaining what the devils ether is?

Originally Posted by wendylove

The irony is that we have got so far because we rejected the ancedotal and the paranormal/supernatural. I guess your correct as most people will be scientifically stupid by that time, now this would not be a good thing.

I know because science is so crap, you know sitting here looking at your computer typing and really wanting the paranormal to be true.

Have you seen T.V. these days. Medium, Derek acorah, celebrity ghost hunter, most hauted, psychic T.V. chats e.t.c.
So if you haven't heard of psychic phenomena then I really(insert witty comment).

Common sense, a IQ above 100, scientific reasoning(the thing that gave us computers), looking at the claims in more detail, Derren Brown,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40763&hl=en-GB
Richard Dawkings Enermies of reason. The point is that everyone proberly would abandon reason for irrationality, however belife in something does not make it true. That where science comes in, although in the UK physics has halfed and psychics supersition has become popular. This is not a good thing.

I agree.

consciousness is not 'paranormal'. nor are the spiritual aspects of the human consciousness have anything to do with the stuff you see on tv for ratings. science isn't the only thing that has advanced humanity so rapidly. spirituality, or consciousness is what has evolved us so rapidly. science can't tell us why something is morally wrong. yet today there are a lot of things in this modern world that we find completely unacceptable that were acceptable and even morally right not so long ago.

genocide and slavery for example. is is the raising shift of human consciousness that made us realize we need to stop these self destructive practices.

the raising of the human consciousness is essential to the western world, and even essential to our advancements in science. had we still have the consciousness we had in the stone age for example, with modern day technology we would all be bloody dead, because everyone would just go ape crazy and blow themselves up over food and sex.

We have opened pandoras box, scientifically speaking, and we will not survive into the next millennium if our consciousness does not evolve again, for similar reasons stone age consciousness would self destruct in our world.

the belief of 2012 is simple, evolve or self destruct. in this case, its our consciousness that must evolve. The choice is ours, but what's not a choice is the situation. And that is the belief in 2012, that the situation will be evolve your mind or self destruct.

the stakes are getting higher, especially with our technology, and if you believe in karma, most especially with our bearing karma on this earth. we must change, or raise or consciousness. And its not paranormal, we've done it before. We can do it again.

there are some 2012 confusions floating around on the net. this is not to be confused with the christian belief of the second coming or apocalypse. 2012 is not a belief in the end of the world, its just a belief in the end of a cycle and the beginning of a new cycle. both a cycle seen in the universe and in the human psyche.

the catch is every cycle is an advancement of the previous, shorter and more intense. thus every new cycle is faster, thus advancement becomes faster and faster. so in the belief of these cycles, this is why human evolution seems to happen in the blink of an eye compared to the evolution compared to other creatures. I mean, mosquitos have been here a lot longer and I don't see them building buildings. This is why, with every new cycle, the universe expands even faster. This is also why, in the belief of these cycles, so much human advancement has happened in the last thousand years, and even more in the last hundred. And even more in the last ten. Faster. Faster. Faster.

Cycles you can say are almost exponential. And the ultimate belief here is, the start of this cycle is, while a new beginning also marks the end of 'human' cycles - because by the end of this cycle we have either self destructed or have all become enlightened beings above and beyond the suffering we know today. This is not a 'magical' event. Or an event created by God. God is not going to brain wash us into enlightened beings. We must choose that state of being.

And since a new cycle means things happen faster, it also means our karmic pay back happens faster. And since we have a lot of bad baggage on the earth this can mean global disasters through nature. Thus, it is essential in the belief of 2012 that we start changing our ways, our consciousness now before nature gives us more karmic payback than we can handle.

2012 however does not mark an instantaneous event. Nothing amazing, or horrible might happen on that cold december. Its just another end of a cycle and start of a cycle day, and mankind has already survived a few.

Also, the christian second coming is related to 2012. In the second coming disaster strikes on end of the world levels, because the majority carried the mark of the devil, and then we have the few who carry the mark of christ on their foreheads. I don't take the more conventional or even literal spin of this. To me this means the mind of the antichrist *the mark of 666* is a lower state of mind that is self destructive, so self destructive it is the reason why man would be tossed into an end of the world scenario and not because of God.

And then the mark of christ on the foreheads is a symbol of the christ consciousness, which is a higher state of consciousness than that of a normal person. Thus the second coming of christ happens THROUGH those people and not Jesus coming down from the clouds. It is the state of consciousness that Jesus and Buddha had achieved that is the second coming. I repeat, the second coming is the christ consciousness in people and not a magical event in the sky by a God in the clouds.

The bibles depiction is, more or less grim, believing most people will be unwillingly to change, suffer and die. It doesn't have to be this way though. 2012'ers should all believe in a more positive view of humanity, that the majority of us will be willing to change and not self destruct.

I wonder where Krishna hangs out nowadays...