Real, it exists in one form or another, even if somthing only exists in your thoughts, it exists. |
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"Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. |
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Real, it exists in one form or another, even if somthing only exists in your thoughts, it exists. |
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We perceive it to exist through what our senses are telling us and it will always exist unless something disproves its existance. |
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Well, you have to consider what the child was defining as "real." |
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I suppose you could say that the spoons we experience aren't real anyway, using one definition. They're just groups of fuzzy metal atoms. |
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It doesn't work like that. |
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Atoms are electronic representations of physical particles which don't exist outside of accepted reality. There really isn't much that could be called 'physical' about physical reality. The closer we study the physical world, the more everything looks like just bits of information. |
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I understand this but, according to the universally accepted "reality", (that is, the reality that we, so far, have labeled the "physical universe") there are these objects called "spoons." The child in the movie (which is what the question is about) is referring to a "real" spoon. (That is; the spoons that exist within the "physical" reality that is the world outside the Matrix.) When the child said "there is no spoon," he was saying "there is no physical/actual/familiar-idea-of/outer-world spoon." He wasn't taking the statement any further than that, to debate whether or not the spoons in the "desert of the real" were "really" physical or not. He was accepting that Neo knew exactly what spoons he was referring to. |
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Inside the matrix, as it were, was a frame of reference. Neo could 'bend' the spoon because he had left that frame of reference and the spoon was no longer real for him. The fact that it was designed by a computer does not negate the fact that every spoon he used up to the time of being ejected from his jelly like cocoon in the 'real' world was actually a real and useful spoon that brought food to his mouth. |
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
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I disagree. Neo could bend the spoon, because it is just accepted (by just saying "spoon") that no one is talking about a real, physical spoon. They are talking about the illusion of a spoon. It is a given that didn't need to be elaborated on, within their conversation. |
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Oneironaut, they do imply that our idea of "real" is never real. In the Matrix sequels, 'The Kid' (the one who survived solely on faith from the animatrix) shouts to give Neo a "real" spoon before he took off essentially saving him from being stabbed in the back by Baine, the downloaded form of agent Smith, saying, "He said you'd understand..." |
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In the movie the neo holding the spoon and looking at it was not a real Neo either, just like the spoon was not real. |
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That's the next line in the quote. He says: |
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The spoon was not real, just as the matrix. It was real inside the matrix, but outside, on the ship, no, the spoon was not real. Depending on where your point of refrence was (Where you think reality is, either the matrix or the earth) it can either be real or not real. |
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Thats what I thought. |
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The universe itself is just a computer, with infinite multi-threading capabilities and 100% efficient processors. |
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