Thread: Math

How can the factorial function possibly be a step backwards? It's extremely helpful for things such as statistics or the binomial expansion. Unless you'd rather write out 10! as 10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1.

Lol, it's not a factorial function as I meant it.

!=
does not equal

I think it's from the C/C++ language, though I could be wrong as I haven't used either for two years now.

Edit: Though pretty funny, I didn't actually see that as I wrote it... 2+2!=4 actually is true. Got me there! What are the chances... I should have just used 3+3!=6, that one actually doesn't contradict what I was trying to get at.

But that's still not what this topic is about? Or is it? Now I'm just confused.

Well in math, everything is about "true" value.

By making the "true" value of 2 7.

Originally Posted by wendylove

Well, to anwser the original question, yes you can.

Essentially, you need to have mod(1), which is trivial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic

Basically, there is a clock with only 1 on it, and your rotating it six times. Hence the anwser is 1.


Seismosaur I'm disappointed with you. Again, look up modular arithmetic, as all your doing is that, which is perfectly fine in mathematics.

Numbers have been proved to be consistent.


There something called abstract, look it up.


Again, look up abstract. Maths has little to do with reality, well pure maths.


Math does not violate reality, seriously please learn some maths before talking about it. Also, maths is based on proofs, which is proberly the most objective thing ever.

Seriously, I hate it when people think that logic is some kind of picnic. Well, atleast nobody on this thread has said they use logic, which occurs in R/S alot. Hence, they our proberly not.

Er okay.

And I didn't say they violated reality; but they can violate perspective. That is, one's view of reaity.

Originally Posted by blade5x

Ok, for all practical use, numbers are generally followed by some sort of unit. MLtT (mass, length, time, temperature). You can also have non-scientific units, like cents are dollars.

2u + 2u = 4u (always will... you cannot manipulate the unit or consistency will fail)

Given that science always deals with units, it only make sense to teach math such that 2+2=4, and always equals 4. Does a scientist measure "one drop" of water in the end or the "properties of the one drop"?

That is why, saying 2+2!=4 is taking a step backward in the fields of math and science, regardless of whether or not it's "true".

Wat?

tbh I don't think anybody knows what's going on here.

||| and ||| won't give || and nobody has any good reason why it should do.

Because the concepts of "3" 'Three" "+" and "Plus" are all man made.
However the concept of "3" objects (i.e. $$$ or ###) are not.

Wai

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Because the concepts of "3" 'Three" "+" and "Plus" are all man made.
However the concept of "3" objects (i.e. $$$ or ###) are not.

Identical.

Originally Posted by Xei

tbh I don't think anybody knows what's going on here.

||| and ||| won't give || and nobody has any good reason why it should do.

I think the only response that has come close to refuting this in the way that it should be is solskye's. ||| and ||| may not ever be || but it can be
|...............|

If you look at it in the right way, that is, a way that makes ||| blend in to |.


The problem I see here is that everyone is trying to make this a logical argument when really it is a perceptual one.

The problem I see is that nobody here knows what the actual argument is.

It is an argument of Perception and mathematics.

A question.

I sympathise with Deep Thought.

Would the answer be forty two, per chance?

I'm not telling >:{

I knew it. :0

Seems to me as if you're stripping the values from them or looking at it without reason. Reason is involved with numbers, it is a system of logic and reasoning, symbols equavalent to values. Each symbol is a label for increments of values, etc. Humans create this so its much easier to organize, understand, and process data for an outcome or etc.. You're not goin to look on a test to see what is |||| + ||||= ?. No. You're going to see 4+4 =? As values (whatever), the |'s = 1, 1 being a symbol. Depending on quantity, symbol changes. | = 1. || =2. ||| = 3. If you put || next with ||| then the symbol for that quantity amount is 5. Each value incremented is assigned a diff. symbol. | = 1 | = 2 | = 3 | = 4 | = 5. Thanks to memory, we use these symbol to keep track of the values before, by giving it the next assigned symbol.

Math as you're discussing about, is a system as stated before. If you look at it as 11111 then you just simply convert them into values. 1 being the default conversion as a value because each value is individual. So if you see 5 |'s ( "5" being the known result of counted increments), as before, you assign them as 1's each and because of symbols, you can remember each value from before as you group them, this process of grouping is counting. Adding takes place when take the "counted numbers" and put them together to "continue the count". Thanks for our symbols though, we can remember what sequence of counted numbers "add" to which destinated symbol, that is also a count of values. The sequence of symbols that we do forget, are applied with more counting using sequence of symbols we do remember. This is a process known as equations. A sim[le little ex: would be something such as what is 5+10? You got the answer from your memory there huh? Or perhaps it took you a second to remember what those two, which could also be noted as value of values, together with that plus sign meant. Now off the top of your head what is 345+875? Heh, you didn't know because you didn't either see the result of what those two symbols(7 symbols actually, including the + sign.) matched before or forgot it. You used simple equations and methods, which are also values now, and matched each symbol with the corresponding and exact value. ( 3 =| and 8 =|,if |+|, then |= 11, or |= |||||||||||, else | and|, as in ||| and ||||||||. Note that the word "and" is a symbol made of symbols with a meaning of symbols also made of symbols thats expressed through the system of language to define meanings that are mentally wired as in converting thoughts into the english language.)

You see a bunch of cars. You couldn't possibly know how many there are unless you count, being you take them(the cars being values) and convert them into numbers(the system of math takes place) and with each amount you see, you assign it the next symbol,another example of counting... If you count 3 red cars separately then you counted 5 red cars, the you know mentally from the pronounciation (words) of the symbols three and five = 8. three = 3 = ||| and five = 5 = |. You can skip a step if you mentally just visualize them as the symbols 3 and 5 instead of saying the words...of course. Yes, you can look at something and instantly know there are 3 but did your mind count? Or seen it as an abstract picture. People look different but when you see them you know they're a human and not a monkey. Both have eyes and etc, but diff....( don't wanna go to deep into another explanation).

Well I just came from work, I'm tired (I'm a lazy 18 yr old probably), and gotta wake up for work in 6 hours...I'm going to bed. Surprised I've token the time to explain something I thought of on the spot lol. Sorry If its messy ( or confusing to many). Someone will get it though lol... I had to read back while writing because I forgot what the hell I was talking about throughout.