Thread: Two conciouses at once

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Really? You can't even entertain the idea?

I give you lol of the day award.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I give you lol of the day award.

His 'erection' is coming out of his knees.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

His 'erection' is coming out of his knees.

Lol

Originally Posted by Xei

Is it physical though?

It doesn't matter what it's physically made of (according to functionalism which I believe to be unfalsifiable), so it appears to me that platonic reality is the realm of consciousness.

Read The Emperor's New Mind.

If you've ever seen a brain, and tested stuff on it (or seen an MRI), then you can be pretty sure that conciousness is a conglomeration of physical stuff going on in the brain. Take drugs, for example, they alter 'conciousness', or a person in a coma. They don't have conciousness because their brain's shut down. And what about brain death? Doesn't conciousness stop then? A person may be completely alive, except for their brain, and they've totally lost conciousness... How could someone explain that by the means of paranormal things?

It seems pretty clear to me that, in light of all these things, conciousness is an experience brought about by something physical, namely the brain.

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

If you've ever seen a brain, and tested stuff on it (or seen an MRI), then you can be pretty sure that conciousness is a conglomeration of physical stuff going on in the brain. Take drugs, for example, they alter 'conciousness', or a person in a coma. They don't have conciousness because their brain's shut down. And what about brain death? Doesn't conciousness stop then? A person may be completely alive, except for their brain, and they've totally lost conciousness... How could someone explain that by the means of paranormal things?

It seems pretty clear to me that, in light of all these things, conciousness is an experience brought about by something physical, namely the brain.

I don't think he is arguing that consciousness doesn't arise from something physical...I think what he is arguing is that something physical is making something non-physical.

Of course I know that the physical brain causes consciousness, don't worry. What I'm saying is that clearly there's nothing inherently conscious about a neuron; it could just as well be made of something else, there's nothing conscious about protein and water and cell wall and ions. Therefore consciousness is a result of a mathematical network of causality, not any specific physical structure.

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

If you've ever seen a brain, and tested stuff on it (or seen an MRI), then you can be pretty sure that conciousness is a conglomeration of physical stuff going on in the brain. Take drugs, for example, they alter 'conciousness', or a person in a coma. They don't have conciousness because their brain's shut down. And what about brain death? Doesn't conciousness stop then? A person may be completely alive, except for their brain, and they've totally lost conciousness... How could someone explain that by the means of paranormal things?

It seems pretty clear to me that, in light of all these things, conciousness is an experience brought about by something physical, namely the brain.

We have a great deal of evidence to show that behavior that suggests consciousness is dependant on brain activity, but consciousness isn't the ability to respond to external stimuli or the ability to form memories, but the subjective experience of awareness. It isn't possible to prove that consciousness is dependant on any physical object. In fact we know that it is possible to be conscious without forming memories and without responding to external stimuli.

It doesn't actually feel that different then how you feel now, just with a much deeper awareness. The greater it gets, the more you are able to see people's perspectives. It's hard to see a difference bteween spirituality and empathy with that statement, but that's sort of the thing, empathy is imagining yourself in the position of other consciousness so the result of empathy is not that different from someone who has connected themselves to the universal consciousness.

We imagine the world we exist in, we just do it together.