God is a lucid dreamer who has lost his lucidity.

[Timothy Paradox]

Reality is relative. God is just a being belonging to an unknown species. He went to sleep, and got a lucid dream. In this dream, he created the heavens and the earth, etc etc. He was capable of performing great miracles, just like lucid dreamers. We think we are "real", even though we are his DC's. But what is real? According to Morpheus' description we ARE real. We can be heard, touched, smelled, etc. He created humans "In his image". That's why we have the ability to lucid dream as well. We can created worlds, people, do the impossible... The reason why he no longer performs miracles and shows himself to the people is perhaps because he lost his lucidity... Now he is still among us, unable to age or die, almighty in HIS own world - but he just forgot... Discuss ^^ Expanded: The universe is a spiral... Our level of reality was created by a dreamer from one level above us. God and his species are possibly humans too (Our DC's are also human) and perhaps god is powerless in his "real world". He was created by the one He calls his God, And so forth... Maybe we ARE the top of the spiral, and our God(s) are just an illusion...who knows. But! My hypothesis does not contradict with evolution. Perhaps this spiral has and ending somewhere...all the way at the top, there is species created by evolution alone. How this system came to be in the first place, THAT is the big question. We THINK we were created by evolution, but this is an illusion... Just like how DC's think they are real even though they were created only a few minutes earlier... Maybe the worlds we create in an LD don't cease to exist when we wake up... The locals (DC's) will continue to exist in the world we created, maybe write legends and stories about the time when we were present in their world... Perhaps the worlds we've created only disappear when we die. So when our God dies in his "real" world...we're done for. God is "the One" from the matrix. There is also an oracle, God's dream guide - somewhere out there... Fascinating, no?

[archdreamer]

Speculation is fun.

[Serkat]

No. God doesn't exist.

[Timothy Paradox]

You don't get it, do you? God is not a "God", he is a human like us, in his world - and we are his DC's. We are Gods to our DC's. No. God doesn't exist.

[Serkat]

You don't get it, do you? God is not a "God", he is a human like us, in his world - and we are his DC's. We are Gods to our DC's. No. God doesn't exist.

[Timothy Paradox]

No. God doesn't exist. Then why do you even posts in this thread? If you're not interested in philosophy, then don't reply. I don't really like close minded atheïsts.

[Carôusoul]

Then why do you even posts in this thread? If you're not interested in philosophy, then don't reply. I don't really like close minded atheïsts. As a matter of cause, this is not philosophy. This is fictional speculation, nothing more. I can just as easily say that "What if the whole world is actually just part of a turtles wet leg which he dropped in a pond in march". It's just empty "what if's" and belongs either in senseless banter or in Artists Corner. There is absolutely no reason to think anything you said has an ounce of truth to it. This is nor more fascinating then any The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter; which are, to an extent fascinating, but not to be taken seriously in the real world.

[Timothy Paradox]

Ok, give me some evidence for the classic christian God then. Nothing? Case closed. Besides I've seen lots of threads in the philosophy section that have ZERO evidence to back it up. By the way, why are you so hostile? I said "what if", I didn't say "I believe". As a matter of cause, this is not philosophy. This is fictional speculation, nothing more. I can just as easily say that "What if the whole world is actually just part of a turtles wet leg which he dropped in a pond in march". It's just empty "what if's" and belongs either in senseless banter or in Artists Corner. There is absolutely no reason to think anything you said has an ounce of truth to it. This is nor more fascinating then any The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter; which are, to an extent fascinating, but not to be taken seriously in the real world.

[Carôusoul]

Ok, give me some evidence for the classic christian God then. Nothing? Case closed. Besides I've seen lots of threads in the philosophy section that have ZERO evidence to back it up. By the way, why are you so hostile? I said "what if", I didn't say "I believe". What if is worse than I believe. You can say "what if" about anything ever at all. We can't just go considering all ridiculous abstract what ifs or we'd be here forever. And as far as I'm concerned there is no substantial evidence for the classic christian god, or any god for that matter. That's why I'm an agnostic atheist. There are alot of threads in this philosophy section which are bullshit, yes. If I were you though, I wouldn't take your definition of philosophy from an online forum, if you're really interested in philosophy and want to know what it is, my advice would be to start reading books, not any old random stuff of the internet, but classic introductory books. It's the most valuable thing you can do. I'm hostile cus I get vaguely tired of the constant pseudoscience and pseudophilosophy thrown around on these forums. Nothing personal, I assure you.

[Timothy Paradox]

So you hate me because I have imagination? You're such a wondeful person. I don't have to believe what other people say or write in their books. I can think for myself. And if you don't my ideas then why the hell do you even reply???

[Timothy Paradox]

What if is worse than I believe. No. Because I don't claim to know the truth. If I said "I believe" then that would mean that anything else is wrong. This is not the case. You can't stop people from imagining stuff. Don't even waste your energy trying.

[werwun]

Entertaining theory. You brought the criticism upon yourself though.

[Timothy Paradox]

It's not a theory. Theories have evidence to support them. This is a hypothesis. Just brainstorming. Besides no one criticized my ideas, just what I am doing. Entertaining theory. You brought the criticism upon yourself though.

[Carôusoul]

So you hate me because I have imagination? You're such a wondeful person. I don't have to believe what other people say or write in their books. I can think for myself. And if you don't my ideas then why the hell do you even reply??? I didn't say I hate you. -.- I didn't say anything that suggested anything of the sort. also: No, but you can learn from other people far wiser than yourself. I replied because this is a DISCUSSION board. Not an agreement board. Edit: Actually I'm really puzzled as to how you got that I hate you because you have imagination out of anything I said.

[Carôusoul]

No. Because I don't claim to know the truth. If I said "I believe" then that would mean that anything else is wrong. This is not the case. You can't stop people from imagining stuff. Don't even waste your energy trying. I don't want to stop anyone imagining and I never said I do.

[Serkat]

I replied because this is a DISCUSSION board. Not an agreement board. Lol, epic.

[SassyGirl16]

I don't understand. Your saying god is human & his a lucid dreamer who lost his lucidity? So all the humans on the earth are not really here? Can sombody please explain this to me? My head hurts

[Timothy Paradox]

Yes. When for example you go to sleep, and do a WILD; you become lucid. Then you created a world and a bunch of people who live there. But during the dream you forget that are dreaming - you lose your lucidity. But that doesn't change the fact that your DC's are still there! Are WE real? Depends on your definition of real I guess. According to morpheus, we are. (we can be seen, heard, felt, etc...) Are MY DC's real? imo they are.

[Timothy Paradox]

Lol, epic. Epic fail, indeed. I never said that you had to agree with my ideas.

[SassyGirl16]

That's pretty interesting, for all we know it could be true.

[Carôusoul]

That's pretty interesting, for all we know it could be true. for all we know the tooth fairy, santa and the easter bunny could be true. So could anything you say ever.

[SassyGirl16]

Yeap.

[Carôusoul]

Yes. When for example you go to sleep, and do a WILD; you become lucid. Then you created a world and a bunch of people who live there. But during the dream you forget that are dreaming - you lose your lucidity. But that doesn't change the fact that your DC's are still there! Are WE real? Depends on your definition of real I guess. According to morpheus, we are. (we can be seen, heard, felt, etc...) Are MY DC's real? imo they are. Yeah, depends on your definition of real. But what is our definition, cus then we can decide. Are we rabbits?! It all depends on our definition of rabbit! Mystic, dude. Real is usually [in philosophy] a bit of a non-starter as a word, but still is usually meant to mean "the state of things, as they actually are". That is to say "what is really going on". So if there are invisible cottages on chicken legs wandering the earth in a physical form, but we cannot detect them any way, then they would be classed as real. Sadly Morpheus in the matrix, doesn't actually say thats what he thinks is real[thats why he makes a distinct contrast between what he calls the "real" world and the illusory[not real] one, the matrix], when he says that he is challenging Neo's (and most peoples) common sense perception that what is real is just what we can sense to be there. This is called naive, or direct realism. It is one of the big ideas of philosophy. There are other theories which contrast to it, for example representative realism, which suggests that everything we experience with our senses (our sense data, that is to say) is not "real", as it is not "things as they actually are. Representative Realism suggests that things as we experience them are a representation of the state of things as they are {the real} but we can never actually possibly know the true primary qualities of things as they are, just our representations of them, which for all we know could be massively distorted, or even accurate. But the main point is that what we are experiencing is in fact just sense data in our heads given to us by whatever is out there. That is basically an example of the some of theories of how our senses correspond with what we call real. So the train of thought you are having is that of direct realism, I suppose: that is to say that everything you experience with your senses is directly as things are in reality. Yay for being horribly tangental.

[Timothy Paradox]

Yes, but in the world we know there are no tooth fairies and stuff like that. There ARE people who dream and create worlds and DC's. Come one, you have to admit that my hypothesis is more likely to be real than santa or that fairy???

[SassyGirl16]

It all depends on the way you look at the world. Do I belive in Santa & The Tooth Fairy? No. But I'm not saying there not real, for all we know in some weird AU they could be. Your theory could be real. Is everybody going to think so? No, like I said it all comes down to what you belive.