Thread: God is a lucid dreamer who has lost his lucidity.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Yes, but in the world we know there are no tooth fairies and stuff like that.
There ARE people who dream and create worlds and DC's.
Come one, you have to admit that my hypothesis is more likely to be real than santa or that fairy???

How do we know there are no tooth fairies? We don't know for sure, but we don't take it seriously because there is no real evidence for it and contradicting evidence.

Yes there are people who dream and create worlds and DC's. We don't know for sure these aren't real, but we don't take it seriously because again there is no real evidence for it, and there is contradicting evidence.

If I right now imagine a ridiculous character in my mind now, and name him Tim or whatever, I think you would agree that we have absolutely no reason to think or consider the possibility that he is real, because we both know I have just made him up, based on my experiences. This is the same thing, DCs are just the same made up characters, but they occur while you are sleeping.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

maybe everything IS real, if you have enough alternative universes. :-)

That's more like it Mr. Wayne.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Ok, give me some evidence for the classic christian God then.
Nothing? Case closed.

lol

Originally Posted by Omicron

I replied because this is a DISCUSSION board. Not an agreement board.

Post of the year.


Now let me let you in on a little truth. It is the truth of all things. With this truth you will come to know the truest trueness of the universe. Your previously held untrue truths will be erased and replaced with the truly true truth.

Are you ready?

Everything you know, everything you see, everything you touch and everything you think... All of it, down to its very core, is made of fish. Yes, fish is the true essence of all things. With this truth, you can unlock the secrets of existence.

OMG my thoughts exactly

Originally Posted by Omicron

As a matter of cause, this is not philosophy.

This is fictional speculation, nothing more.


I can just as easily say that "What if the whole world is actually just part of a turtles wet leg which he dropped in a pond in march". It's just empty "what if's" and belongs either in senseless banter or in Artists Corner.



There is absolutely no reason to think anything you said has an ounce of truth to it.




This is nor more fascinating then any The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter; which are, to an extent fascinating, but not to be taken seriously in the real world.

Congratz, you just described philosophy!

On a serious note, There would be little chance for dc's in the "dream" world to exist, when not presently asleep, because the reality you call "waking life" is also the dream world. But even so, that would make it all the possiblility that the "dc's" you know about are also in the waking life...

You're still in your head, awake or sleeping. Only difference, from what we know, is that you're receiving energy(data) from the external world when awoke, and internal data from memory, when asleep.

I kinda like this idea. Once we all realize that we are God we will have true lucidity in life. It's a good metaphor at least.

Yay! At least I have ONE fan

Originally Posted by stonedape

I kinda like this idea. Once we all realize that we are God we will have true lucidity in life. It's a good metaphor at least.

Originally Posted by Omicron

As a matter of cause, this is not philosophy.

This is fictional speculation, nothing more.


I can just as easily say that "What if the whole world is actually just part of a turtles wet leg which he dropped in a pond in march". It's just empty "what if's" and belongs either in senseless banter or in Artists Corner.



There is absolutely no reason to think anything you said has an ounce of truth to it.




This is nor more fascinating then any The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter; which are, to an extent fascinating, but not to be taken seriously in the real world.

I agree with this. This topic is just silly. What if god is an invisible leprechaun in my pants, and it dictates that the only sin in existence is believing this topic isn't complete humbug. Philosophy follows the rules of science, and you can't just make stuff up and present it as a theory that is likely to be true. Just because it sounds nice, sentences like "Ohh god dreaming the world" "oohhhh trees have feelings too" "Ohhh stars write out our destiny", doesn't mean they are anything more then complete nonsense. Fine if you enjoy that kind of thing, but it isn't going to become a serious discussion if you have no more reasons to believe it than to believe in the existence of tooth fairies. Discuss this stuff in 'beyond dreaming', 'Religion & Spiritually' or 'lounge'. That's what this topic is, loungy, non-scientific, non-logical, funny-sounding, words in such a order they sound nice to your ears. Or we could talk about how giant unicorns actually control this world by drawing it on magical napkins while waiting for their magical ham and eggs at a magical breakfast restaurant.

It's not a theory. Why do you guys keep making that mistake?

Originally Posted by Neruo

I agree with this. This topic is just silly. What if god is an invisible leprechaun in my pants, and it dictates that the only sin in existence is believing this topic isn't complete humbug. Philosophy follows the rules of science, and you can't just make stuff up and present it as a theory that is likely to be true. Just because it sounds nice, sentences like "Ohh god dreaming the world" "oohhhh trees have feelings too" "Ohhh stars write out our destiny", doesn't mean they are anything more then complete nonsense. Fine if you enjoy that kind of thing, but it isn't going to become a serious discussion if you have no more reasons to believe it than to believe in the existence of tooth fairies. Discuss this stuff in 'beyond dreaming', 'Religion & Spiritually' or 'lounge'. That's what this topic is, loungy, non-scientific, non-logical, funny-sounding, words in such a order they sound nice to your ears. Or we could talk about how giant unicorns actually control this world by drawing it on magical napkins while waiting for their magical ham and eggs at a magical breakfast restaurant.

Why do people who don't even want to discuss the topic keep posting? I think it's an interesting idea, and thats what it was posed as. I think the idea makes sense in some ways. Like the fact that most people go through their life unconsciously for the most part, If they were to become fully aware, it would like attaining lucidity in many ways. Just because an idea doesn't work out perfectly doesn't mean you can't discuss it seriously.

Originally Posted by stonedape

I kinda like this idea. Once we all realize that we are God we will have true lucidity in life. It's a good metaphor at least.

Yeah, I think it's more than a metaphor and comes pretty close to the real workings of the universe.

"The Universe is Mental--held in the Mind of THE ALL." -- The Kybalion

I agree. But do you think that God can "wake up" in the traditional sense? I think that part is more metaphorical, but I don't know.

Originally Posted by Neruo

I agree with this. This topic is just silly. What if god is an invisible leprechaun in my pants, and it dictates that the only sin in existence is believing this topic isn't complete humbug. Philosophy follows the rules of science, and you can't just make stuff up and present it as a theory that is likely to be true. Just because it sounds nice, sentences like "Ohh god dreaming the world" "oohhhh trees have feelings too" "Ohhh stars write out our destiny", doesn't mean they are anything more then complete nonsense. Fine if you enjoy that kind of thing, but it isn't going to become a serious discussion if you have no more reasons to believe it than to believe in the existence of tooth fairies. Discuss this stuff in 'beyond dreaming', 'Religion & Spiritually' or 'lounge'. That's what this topic is, loungy, non-scientific, non-logical, funny-sounding, words in such a order they sound nice to your ears. Or we could talk about how giant unicorns actually control this world by drawing it on magical napkins while waiting for their magical ham and eggs at a magical breakfast restaurant.

Brilliant argumentation. Oh wait, did you even use arguments? No, none at all! You just rephrased your opinion how this is bullshit in 231 different ways. What's the point?

Maybe the world vanishes when he wakes up...maybe it'll continue to exist untill he returns, or dies in his 'real life'.
For us it seems like he is thousands of years old, but his dream is actually just a few seconds in his real world..
Like when we dream - we can experience 4 hours in a 15 minute dream. I think they call it "psy-time".

Originally Posted by stonedape

I agree. But do you think that God can "wake up" in the traditional sense? I think that part is more metaphorical, but I don't know.

And when you're not lucid you can't remember what you did before the dream started, so imagine 'waking up' from real life and discovering it's all just a dream.

My ideas are all based an analogies.
There are many recurring shapes in the universe...spirals, circles, etc
DNA is a spiral (kinda) , so is the milky way... I think it's just fascinating.

Originally Posted by stonedape

I agree. But do you think that God can "wake up" in the traditional sense? I think that part is more metaphorical, but I don't know.

No, I don't see God as human, so he can't wake up or anything. I just think that the workings of the universe are very much like how our minds work and dream. As above, so below. It is as if the whole universe is reflected inside our minds..

But then again, IMO we also dream during waking life. But the dream of waking life is limited and restricted by our sensory perception, unless you are schizophrenic.

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Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Brilliant argumentation. Oh wait, did you even use arguments? No, none at all! You just rephrased your opinion how this is bullshit in 231 different ways. What's the point?

Originally Posted by Mark75

Everything you know, everything you see, everything you touch and everything you think... All of it, down to its very core, is made of fish. Yes, fish is the true essence of all things. With this truth, you can unlock the secrets of existence.

Fish? What is that - half of a fisherman?

Originally Posted by really

Fish? What is that - half of a fisherman?

No. It is all of everything.

Originally Posted by Mark75

No. It is all of everything.

I guess you're right then. Everything is made of everything.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Brilliant argumentation. Oh wait, did you even use arguments? No, none at all! You just rephrased your opinion how this is bullshit in 231 different ways. What's the point?

That it's bullshit. I should have put it in 232 ways, so even the mentally challenged among us would get it. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Neruo

That it's bullshit. I should have put it in 232 ways, so even the mentally challenged among us would get it. Sorry.

It's not "bullshit" as you say it. You are the mentally challenged, because you think it needs to be metalized.

Originally Posted by really

It's not "bullshit" as you say it. You are the mentally challenged, because you think it needs to be metalized.

Define 'mentalized'. Do you mean 'make it undergo sceptical inquiry to asses the likelihood of the proposed theory by means that have proven themselves in the past yet should also not be immune the sceptical inquiry themself' aka the scientific method? The opposite of 'mentalized' being "buy all the new-age crap you hear without thinking about it to hard, and just spew nonsensical bullshit all over the place, acting as if you have acquired some higher knowledge while all you did was make stuff up not much unlike any religion or idiot that thinks his lucky pair of underpants made him find a parking space"?

I never claimed to have aqcuired knowledge from any higher power. I even specifically said that I was just brainstorming.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Define 'mentalized'. Do you mean 'make it undergo sceptical inquiry to asses the likelihood of the proposed theory by means that have proven themselves in the past yet should also not be immune the sceptical inquiry themself' aka the scientific method? The opposite of 'mentalized' being "buy all the new-age crap you hear without thinking about it to hard, and just spew nonsensical bullshit all over the place, acting as if you have acquired some higher knowledge while all you did was make stuff up not much unlike any religion or idiot that thinks his lucky pair of underpants made him find a parking space"?

Originally Posted by Neruo

Define 'mentalized'.

Attempting to mentally conceptualize and judge with limited perceptions, in the context which certain things are beyond appearance and mental conception.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Do you mean 'make it undergo sceptical inquiry to asses the likelihood of the proposed theory by means that have proven themselves in the past yet should also not be immune the sceptical inquiry themself' aka the scientific method? The opposite of 'mentalized' being "buy all the new-age crap you hear without thinking about it to hard, and just spew nonsensical bullshit all over the place, acting as if you have acquired some higher knowledge while all you did was make stuff up not much unlike any religion or idiot that thinks his lucky pair of underpants made him find a parking space"?

Sorry, I could make no sense of any of that.