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      What are we?

      My random thoughts on what we are:

      Everything we can perceive in this universe is made of matter. We are no exception. We are a collection of atoms just as everything else, only we are conscious. It’s like everything is one giant parachute, stretched out over everything, and we’re the forms underneath it that give it shape and movement. Our lives are meant to be whatever we want, this time is our time to make of it whatever we will.

      We come into this world as every other animal does, as a baby, probably with not much of an idea of what’s going on. Then through trial and error, we figure out how to move our parts, and what we should eat / do by watching others who are around us / taking care of us.

      While we may have a complex language, I don’t assume that other species don’t have a form of language, they just make different sounds based on their vocal cord layout. Through this learning / developing process, we also begin to associate things with other things, and make mental connections that help us function and survive here.

      On a larger time scale, life is constantly changing and adapting to survive in whatever environment it is in. When it gets colder, we grow more hair. When it’s sunny, our skin darkens. When food and shelter are somewhere else, forms of movement develop. Aging is the process of our physical bodies decaying as everything else does.

      Everything is consciousness, all stemming from the same source. We come into this world having no memories of anything before this existence. This is to give us a clean slate to work with where we can do whatever we want without the impedance of past lives / whatever was before this. Considering infinity, one consciousness could cycle through experiencing every existence of every life form in the universe, during different times, with each life being a completely new experience. Nothing would be excluded from this, plants, insects, animals, all have some form of consciousness, and live their lives the best they can. In this case, the golden rule definitely applies, do onto others as you would have others do onto you. Because at some point in the infinite moment, consciousness is inhabiting that life form.

      Or, life could be like a time trap. Consciousness is everywhere, beyond our physical perception. We only see what consciousness does, and how it affects the physical universe. Life is like the flexible barrier / quagmire that consciousness hits and journeys through. At first impact, consciousness begins to materialize inside a womb / egg. It hits a new stage at birth, where it experiences the outside world. Then it exists throughout our lives, remaining ever the same, while our bodies change, grow old, break down, and eventually cease to function, at which point consciousness probably leaves our bodies. If you look at time in more of a 4th dimensional kind of way, and look at the paths we take through life, consciousness is kind of like a projectile that passes through the physical realm on its own accord, gathering pieces of this physical world as it goes, and leaving them behind at death. I think it would be unusually cruel if once our bodies died, we just had to exist in it as it decayed and became part of other organisms.

      The universe is like a giant organism, with each part of it feeding off of another part of it. Solar radiation fuels plant and bacteria growth, which feed small insects and animals, which feed other animals and insects (even plants sometimes), and on and on through the food chain. Life feeds off life. If you look on the right size scale, you can find life almost everywhere. You might cite space as an example of no life, but within our own bodies, there is an equally large void of material within the molecular structure of our cells. Perhaps on an even larger scale than we have yet to see the universe, it is some kind of molecule.

      Herbivores eat plant life, and carnivores eat the easiest to catch herbivores. It is as if the universe is one giant organism, with all of its parts unknowingly performing quality control and cleanup of itself as part of their survival methods. Ants clean up the smaller bits of food leftover from larger animals, and with other insects, are kind of like the cleaners. Predators find the weak or slower organisms, and destroy them, converting their energy into their own, and leaving leftover energy for scavengers. Predation fuels the development of better herbivores, as they must avoid being eaten to survive, which in turn fuels the development of better carnivores as they have to work harder to catch the herbivores. Herbivores convert plant energy into heat and poop, eating the easiest to acquire plants more than others. This pushes plants to grow faster, and develop their own ways of deterring being eaten (thorns, poison, bark etc). With countless forms of life, each with individual functions to the whole, weaknesses are destroyed by predators, leaving stronger, healthier sub-organisms, that by being healthier and stronger, are better able to help the whole. The entire food chain process is this organism feeding off of itself, becoming more efficient at using its own energy all the while.

      With a constant supply of new life beings introduced into this world, there are always more forms of existence to experience. With everything being consciousness, everything can be said to be one. So in a sense, reincarnation would be true, as consciousness experiences life after life. However, as each life is its own, with no memory of the past life (as far as I know), I hesitate to call it reincarnation. What levels of consciousness do other forms of existence experience? And what else is capable of thinking? (not just the internal dialogue kind of thinking)
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      What are we?
      Matter. And some of us have cocks.

      Also

      Everything is consciousness
      My pet rock isn't concious.

      The universe is like a giant organism
      No it isn't. Actual organisms reproduce and shit like that.

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      These aren't literal analogies, just my attempts to describe how I view things.
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      Like it or not, we're on the ride of our lives to death of some kind, and it's up to us to decide what that ride is like, where it goes, what it crashes into, and who we go on it with. Until we decide where we want this ride to go, it will not make it far from the station.
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      We are panicky, violent, cruel, emotional and armed to the teeth.

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      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      I have no idea what we are. We're in this life, with endless possibilities, like it is some sort of game, only we have no idea how it began. Our bodies are our physical representations of what we are, yet cannot even begin to describe us. Having wasted a lot of time on computer games with my life, I am starting to see some similarities. Like how in a game, you can see other people's characters, but until you talk to them, you have no idea who they are. It's the same with people, what we see as people, are just the placeholder appearances for what we are. We communicate with more than just talking though, body language is also plays a major part in it. There are games out now that give you so many different possibilities for what to do, that it is easy to get lost in what you are doing and forget that it is your choice what to do, and no one elses. To try and sum it up, what we look like is not who we are, it's what is behind the faces that matters.
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      We are being.

      Now what?

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      Now what?

      Anything and everything. It's the choices we make, and the things we do that determine how our lives will be lived. And these can only take place now, you can't go back in time and change what happened, nor can you ever know how you will respond to things in the future, only in the present.

      It's like I've been waiting my entire life for something to happen, when I should've been the one making things happen. Now I know I should be making things happen, but I'm stuck at the starting line. Being busy with too many 'responsibilities' that I never wanted, I don't even know which direction I want to be going.
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      Is it?

      Bwahaha
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Neruo View Post
      Matter. And some of us have cocks.

      Also



      My pet rock isn't concious.



      No it isn't. Actual organisms reproduce and shit like that.

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      Well if you want to look at it..... the universe is constantly reproducing everytime a new star pops up, or black hole whatever.

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      Well over time, all our actions and choices constitute our lives. Basically everything we can do falls into those categories. If we want to have a certain kind of life, we have to change ourselves into what we want to be.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DeathCell View Post
      Well if you want to look at it..... the universe is constantly reproducing everytime a new star pops up, or black hole whatever.
      For 'the universe' to reproduce it would have to shit out another universe.

      DO YOU SEE THE UNIVERSE SHITTING OUT ANOTHER UNIVERSE? I personally don't.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Neruo View Post
      For 'the universe' to reproduce it would have to shit out another universe.

      DO YOU SEE THE UNIVERSE SHITTING OUT ANOTHER UNIVERSE? I personally don't.
      When we shit we dont shit another human!
      So why must the univers shit another univers?

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      Does anyone else get random thoughts in their mind? Like when you see something, or hear something, and thoughts trigger themselves in your head unexpectedly. For me, I can think about what I want to think about, but there's also thinking that I don't want that just pops in. Kind of like when I get a song stuck in my head, and I find myself repeating the same lyrics over and over. Or a sign will catch my eye and I'll automatically read part of it, then find myself repeating what I read. If I really focus my attention on what I'm doing, the random thoughts die out. But they keep coming back, sometimes without me being aware of it at first.

      I don't need to be thinking about random stuff I saw, I already experienced it. Thinking about it only attempts to put into words that which is beyond words, and can never fully describe the event. As I have already experienced my experiences, I don't need to tell myself what happened. Words are for communicating with other people, not for incorrectly narrating my own life to myself or making false assumptions.
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      Schmaven, it looks like you are asking for some direction in life.

      But the direction depends on where you want to go.

      Where you want to go, is entirely up to you; nobody else (lucky its not otherwise).

      But no matter what path you choose, there will be lessons to learn. Without any sufferring/challenges, you cannot learn for the better. There is no set way; we will always learn differently.

      "What are we?" seems to be a spiritual question, the deepest of many. Inquire within, you are not out there. With awareness, it will be revealed that the majority of the outcomes of your life are brought about by your intentions. Staying positive and open, we learn faster.

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      I just don't want to choose a path that I'm going to be unhappy with.

      I think challenges are how we become stronger and learn about ourselves. Life is filled with them, some easy, some hard. At the time, some may seem impossibly difficult, but once I've finished whatever it was, I realize that I was stressing for no reason.

      I am in the process of accepting that there will be a lot of hard work, and I'll get through it regardless of what I think about it. So I might as well just think positive and happy thoughts about them if at all. Right now however, I need to manage my time better and make more time for myself to figure out which path I want to take before I get too far down the one I'm on already. It's too easy to just put things off and never get around to them, to find reasons for doing something else. That's where I have to remember what I want to be doing, and do that.

      I have a vague idea where I'm going now, but I haven't given much thought as to what exactly I want to do. Until recently, I was living my life how others thought I should, and not how I wanted to live it. Realizing that is kind of scary, as 20 years of my life have already gone by, leaving me wondering where I am in life. What if I never realized this? I would've just kept on "living" an empty life of fleeting desires and thoughtless goals.

      I have a few ideas for what I want to do in life, but I need to look into them more before I can decide. Until then, I've been setting out in multiple directions. I don't have to limit myself to just one thing, but at the same time, I don't want to have so much on my plate that I only take a little bite into each thing, leaving everything unfinished.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Schmaven View Post
      I just don't want to choose a path that I'm going to be unhappy with.
      In the end, it is not the path but how you choose to be affected by it. With happiness found within, one realizes happiness is not found in the external world at all. All you have to do is trust yourself, and be open to learning.

      Quote Originally Posted by Schmaven View Post
      I have a vague idea where I'm going now, but I haven't given much thought as to what exactly I want to do. Until recently, I was living my life how others thought I should, and not how I wanted to live it. Realizing that is kind of scary, as 20 years of my life have already gone by, leaving me wondering where I am in life. What if I never realized this? I would've just kept on "living" an empty life of fleeting desires and thoughtless goals.
      It is good that you are more aware of, and are valuing the opportunities in life. All part of growing, really.

      Quote Originally Posted by Schmaven View Post
      I have a few ideas for what I want to do in life, but I need to look into them more before I can decide. Until then, I've been setting out in multiple directions. I don't have to limit myself to just one thing, but at the same time, I don't want to have so much on my plate that I only take a little bite into each thing, leaving everything unfinished.
      I'm on a similar career path in this sense. I have nothing specific in mind and I'm simply learning about the industry and all the various areas of work. There's no hurry.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hera View Post
      When we shit we dont shit another human!
      So why must the univers shit another univers?
      Because every now and then, every kind of mammal excretes a miniature, -almost similar- copy of itself. Well, the women do. Universes don't even have a vagina, so they couldn't give birth, right?

      Don't respond to that as if it was serious and completely covers the question about what we call 'reproduction'. Instead, pay attention in biology and physics class. Probably you didn't receive all the biology and physics education you will have in your life, so I am not blaming you for your lack of understanding in the subjects. (Atoms-topic was major lmao.) We all didn't understand physics and biology one day.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Neruo View Post
      Because every now and then, every kind of mammal excretes a miniature, -almost similar- copy of itself. Well, the women do. Universes don't even have a vagina, so they couldn't give birth, right?

      Don't respond to that as if it was serious and completely covers the question about what we call 'reproduction'. Instead, pay attention in biology and physics class. Probably you didn't receive all the biology and physics education you will have in your life, so I am not blaming you for your lack of understanding in the subjects. (Atoms-topic was major lmao.) We all didn't understand physics and biology one day.
      Well, you should know that cocks are also made of matter.

      Then again, matter is energy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      Well, you should know that cocks are also made of matter.

      Then again, matter is energy.
      Jesus fucking christ stop talking clearly-not-meant-to-be-serious stuff seriously.

      And die.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Neruo View Post
      Jesus fucking christ stop talking clearly-not-meant-to-be-serious stuff seriously.

      And die.
      Taking it seriously? Haha! I was joking too you know...

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      When I close my eyes, I see a glittering blackness. From this I create everything I've ever seen and can possibly imagine. I don't see myself as being separate from the world, we're completely enveloped in a thick layer of oxygen and nitrogen molecules, (others too!) all permeating through our skin, and interacting with the groups of molecules making up the cells that work together so that we have bodies to use. Even space isn't a perfect vaccum, while very close to one, one doesn't exist. Everything is waves of energy, we're the force that changes and uses energy, we help convert it to different forms, and in the process, live our lives. In the big bowl of energy soup, we are the invisible spoons that stir it around.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Schmaven View Post
      When I close my eyes, I see a glittering blackness. From this I create everything I've ever seen and can possibly imagine. I don't see myself as being separate from the world, we're completely enveloped in a thick layer of oxygen and nitrogen molecules, (others too!) all permeating through our skin, and interacting with the groups of molecules making up the cells that work together so that we have bodies to use. Even space isn't a perfect vaccum, while very close to one, one doesn't exist. Everything is waves of energy, we're the force that changes and uses energy, we help convert it to different forms, and in the process, live our lives. In the big bowl of energy soup, we are the invisible spoons that stir it around.
      True, and this is what many "materialists" and "physicalists" always forget. Out of infinite possibility and potential does this substance arise. It can be called energy, be it manifested or unmanifested.

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      who are we?

      well.....you are you...and i am me

      beyond that i cant say much
      "A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world."
      -oscar wilde


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