The Devastatingly Controversial Abortion Thread

[Tavasion]

It doesn't matter if it has 1 or 1,000 chromosomes, a cell is life, period. biological life is not criteria for personhood. all biological life is not sentient, not aware.

[Scatterbrain]

biological life is not criteria for personhood. all biological life is not sentient, not aware. I never said all biological life should have human rights.

[Rozzy]

For fuck sake. I just mentioned the difference in the number of sets of chromosomes earlier, don't feign ignorance on my part. Our discussion so far: It doesn't matter if it has 1 or 1,000 chromosomes, a cell is life, period. Once again, what's your point? I don't feel like going around in circles here. don't get snippy with me damnit. wat i've been saying is yes cels are life but there is a difference between a simple cell, and a zygote as i mentioned. okay? if you don't get it, i have already explained it so go online or to a teacher and ask them about the difference between a zygote and a cell. if yo feel like we are going in circles, then fine, sorry for trying to upjold my points, i won't bring em up anymore. but you go ahead and bring new ones up, k? its all a matter of choice. everyone has different morals. i completely agree(not on the abotrtin is right but on the morality issue) i think morally it is wrong, but others are entitled to their own opinion....

[Scatterbrain]

You "explained" what I had already mentioned before. And that is that a zygote has 2 sets of chromosomes while a gamete has 1 set, so fuckin what? Don't pretend to be teaching anything. What you should have explained is how having 2 sets of chromosomes gives the zygote human rights. Because in fact, skin cells, like pretty much all the cells in the human body, have 2 sets of chromosomes too. According to your "logic" then, that means if you happen to scrape your knee, or tear some skin from your lips for example, you have just committed mass murder.

[Rozzy]

You "explained" what I had already mentioned before. And that is that a zygote has 2 sets of chromosomes while a gamete has 1 set, so fuckin what? Don't pretend to be teaching anything. What you should have explained is how having 2 sets of chromosomes gives the zygote human rights. Because in fact, skin cells, like pretty much all the cells in the human body, have 2 sets of chromosomes too. According to your "logic" then, that means if you happen to scrape your knee, or tear some skin from your lips for example, you have just committed mass murder. uummm... don't be f-ing rude. no need for it. okay so your whole speil on the 46 chromosones on the skin cells watever dealio, basically, there is a huge difference, once again. yeah skin cells may have 46 chromosones, but they only develop to be let me guess... skin cells. a zygote is more than that. as i have explained. i am not on here to pretend to teach any one so don't be a fucking asshole ,(excuse my language but well...) i am only explaining what i feel and what i believe. if you don't like it that is fine, but well learn to fuckin take in both sides... i have. i understand that pro-choice people believe that it is perfectly fine for the woman to decide what to do with her body. i myself just dont think it is right, but this is a moral debate. and as you should know, those are rarely won by either side. so you can decide what is moral by your standards, as shall i by my own. i feel abortion is wrong (unless the mother is in danger) and no one will change my mind although i do listen and take in people's opinions.

[Sandform]

but this is a moral debate. It is only a moral debate to pro lifers, most pro choice people don't have to worry about morals because we know it is just a lump of cells. Tomorrow lets have a moral debate about whether or not to pop a pimple.

[Schmaven]

I think that because there are certain situations where abortions are necessary, when the mother is in danger, when it's a rape-baby, or if there just isn't the means to take care of it at all; that abortions should be allowed. While there are other cases, where abortions aren't necessary, those do not account for all the scenarios. Generalizing something like that is just wrong, and is unfair to those who need one. Although you can argue that no one technically "needs" to have an abortion, as the worst that can happen is the baby and the mother both die. But death is inevitable, and we'll all die at some point in our lives, during birth is no exception. It should be on a case by case basis if anything.

[Scatterbrain]

uummm... don't be f-ing rude. no need for it. okay so your whole speil on the 46 chromosones on the skin cells watever dealio, basically, there is a huge difference, once again. yeah skin cells may have 46 chromosones, but they only develop to be let me guess... skin cells. a zygote is more than that. as i have explained. i am not on here to pretend to teach any one so don't be a fucking asshole ,(excuse my language but well...) i am only explaining what i feel and what i believe. if you don't like it that is fine, but well learn to fuckin take in both sides... i have. i understand that pro-choice people believe that it is perfectly fine for the woman to decide what to do with her body. i myself just dont think it is right, but this is a moral debate. and as you should know, those are rarely won by either side. so you can decide what is moral by your standards, as shall i by my own. i feel abortion is wrong (unless the mother is in danger) and no one will change my mind although i do listen and take in people's opinions. You failed to explain why not being a specialized cell gives the zygote human rights. Learn to take critical thinking.

[spockman]

The point is that it is in itself an independant life. That life is defined as being a species, therefore it is classified as human life.