Thread: ClouD, Cyclic, DeathCell, really, zeneyes, etc.

Originally Posted by Mark75

I see a post responding to the one that answers this question about how perception is reality is perception and neither answer is more right than the other.

I see two faces, I also see an altar, table like thing, chalice, something you would pour water into. Oh the ability to see the dark and the light.

How is a picture of a white figure over a black background relevant to anything in this thread? (besides the nonsensical ramblings)

Relevance is in the eye of the beholder. You do not understand. You are not enlightened like me.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

How is a picture of a white figure over a black background relevant to anything in this thread? (besides the nonsensical ramblings)

How is a picture of a [insert your perspective here] relevant to this thread?

(Don't ask me, then).

It was originally posted to illustrate perception and how it is relevant to the thread. What a paradox!

Not just relevance... Any word... Any thing...

When one makes a mistake they just have a different take on the situation...

Who misses what?

Nonsensical ramblings?

Who's who to say who is or isn't this or that?

It's an awfully long way from here to there...

Don't mind me... what I say is neither here nor there...

Who is asking the questions? Who is the beholder of the eye?

There is no who...

Nevermind, I can't talk... haha

Don't ask questions. Neither of you two know the truth. I know the truth. I am enlightened. Don't ask questions.

Originally Posted by Grod

Don't ask questions. Neither of you two know the truth. I know the truth. I am enlightened. Don't ask questions.

List:

Why not ask questions?

Nobody knows the truth.

You are the Truth.

Nobody is enlightened.


Now what?

You think you know the truth - but you do not. I do.

Originally Posted by really

Why not ask questions?

Nobody knows the truth.

Because all you'll get are answers. Ironically, the truth can only be known, yet not spoken.

Originally Posted by really

How is a picture of a [insert your perspective here] relevant to this thread?

(Don't ask me, then).

It was originally posted to illustrate perception and how it is relevant to the thread. What a paradox!

Nice try, but no.

I didn't state a perspective, I stated an objective observation.

If we speak using the English language, then that picture is a white figure over a black background, it doesn't matter what concept you attach to the figure.

If you call that two faces, if you call that a vase, whatever you call it, it's still the same figure with the same lines defining it. So my question stands:

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

How is a picture of a white figure over a black background relevant to anything in this thread? (besides the nonsensical ramblings)

How is relevant... relevant to the thread?

Relevance reveals only what one is willing to revel in.

This revelation becomes the answer to your question of relevance...

The apocalypse...

Fear not...

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Do you all realize that you have proved O'nus' point with three pages of mindless dribble? After three pages, most of you haven't even addressed the original posts questions, let alone answered them. The closest any of you have come was Cycskye's ridiculous assertion that he knows the answer but doesn't wanna say.

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Mindless dribble? Perhaps mindlessness is the point.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I didn't state a perspective, I stated an objective observation.

The relevance was concordant with the question; identifying how we perceive the same phenomena. I asked a question about it, as O'nus did about his.

What?

O'nus made an assertion, not a question:

Originally Posted by O'nus

It's blatantly obvious to anyone that can communicate.

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Originally Posted by really

What do you see in this image?

Your image and vague response is only a pathetic dodge of the question.

All you have done is proven your intellectual incompetence while trying to maintain a pretentious pseudo-intellecutality by blatantly dodging all forms of criticism.

You defend yourself to the death and cannot accept feedback nor criticism on any of your posts or ideals. No one can discuss with you because your unfalsifiable logic is compounded by your subtle arrogance.

While I tried my best to converse with you, all you have done is offered nothing in return but anecdotal reasoning and defense of your own stance rather than taking any responsibility for possibly being wrong or being capable of learning something.

But you don't need to learn anything anymore, apparently.

Please do not waste your time responding with vague semantic arguments over the words I am using to re-define your world. It is only your defense to show that you are intellectually incompetent and cannot acknowledge others opinions or accept criticism.

EDIT:

I thought I should add that I fully am aware that you are trying to illustrate the problems of perception and opinion. However, you do not even remotely try to purport your perception of my opinion which was what I was asking for.

You have done nothing but failed as a developing human being.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

What?

O'nus made an assertion, not a question:

I was referring to the opening post.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Your image and vague response is only a pathetic dodge of the question.

My image wasn't even specifically directed at your question. It was an example of how we can perceive the same thing in different ways; an analogy of your question(s) and the whole thread, not a singular response.

Originally Posted by O'nus

All you have done is proven your intellectual incompetence while trying to maintain a pretentious pseudo-intellecutality by blatantly dodging all forms of criticism.

You defend yourself to the death and cannot accept feedback nor criticism on any of your posts or ideals. No one can discuss with you because your unfalsifiable logic is compounded by your subtle arrogance.

While I tried my best to converse with you, all you have done is offered nothing in return but anecdotal reasoning and defense of your own stance rather than taking any responsibility for possibly being wrong or being capable of learning something.

There is nothing to defend; and if you think this is about proving who's right and wrong and criticizing beliefs, you've mistaken the context of this paradigm - which you happen to have brought up in the first place.

Starting this thread with questions and asking "What do you think?" are the same. You cannot avoid your perception in the world. Again O'nus, you have already stated that:

+ Subjectivity is the only certain knowledge
+ Subjective experience can never be represented or properly expressed
+ You cannot truly understand each level of self-transcendence until you have reached it

I have agreed, and replied we have already outlined this. What more do you want?

+ There is a level of self-understanding in which the self can truly feel "one" with everything (the definition of "one" is irrelevant as I think we can all agree that it is a feeling of tranquility due to existential-like reasoning, etc.)

Actually, now that I think of this ^ again, why have you jumped to this conclusion? You have stated:

+ You cannot truly understand each level of self-transcendence until you have reached it.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Please do not waste your time responding with vague semantic arguments over the words I am using to re-define your world. It is only your defense to show that you are intellectually incompetent and cannot acknowledge others opinions or accept criticism.

Actually, I think there is arrogance that you think you can even define "our world" at all, let alone your own! Again, you've already admitted this isn't even possible. Here, the intellect is incompetent, and that is why you think there is constant failing. If anything, the basic limitations are abstractly illustrated through consciousness research - which you're probably not even interested in.

Originally Posted by O'nus

I thought I should add that I fully am aware that you are trying to illustrate the problems of perception and opinion. However, you do not even remotely try to purport your perception of my opinion which was what I was asking for.

If you're "fully aware", why do you even repeat the flawed questions? Where is the importance; the reliability in that?

It comes down to this.

Some people are way to out in the clouds.

Some people are way to "reality" based.

OMG SCIENCE SAID NOOOOO, when really science didn't say no. Just a theory doesn't exist yet.


Peace

Originally Posted by O'nus

We have been having exhaustive debates lately.

I am all too curious - can you explain the point that I am trying to make? Do you know of it..?

If you can explain it.. then maybe we can continue the discussion.

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I've had enough. All of you either answer this ^ or just shut up.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I've had enough. All of you either answer this ^ or just shut up.

This is possibly the worst topic ever.

If you don't want to believe don't why must you drag the "truth" out of people when you don't know the truth yourself?

This topic has been a lot of nonsensical banter, with emotionally charged bullocks.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

This is possibly the worst topic ever.

If you don't want to believe don't why must you drag the "truth" out of people when you don't know the truth yourself?

This topic has been a lot of nonsensical banter, with emotionally charged bullocks.

Long way of saying "no".

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I've had enough. All of you either answer this ^ or just shut up.

Although the discussion has continued, I think we have an answer.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Long way of saying "no".

Loosely tied together topics zoning in different directions is pointless.

Formulate a sensible question not a 4 part whimsical going over the same questions already answered.

Life is obviously experienced from each persons subjective viewpoint, their is no arguing that.


You will know when it hits you.

Yes yes, we already know you have no fuckin idea what O'nus' point was. There's no need for you to reiterate that.