Thread: does anyone else think this?

I actually find it a bit sad.

Originally Posted by tnemrot

I actually find it a bit sad.

Me too...which I know is demeaning to think so though...so I feel bad for feeling it is sad.

Awwww, geee thank guys. You all bring joy to my heart. :]

If you assume you are in hell, you will never get to heaven.

Hey, you know, I like to think we'll get to be rewarded too; to think, that maybe, we'll be happier- even in death- instead of insisting that there's nothing to live for but ourselves, and nothing to die for, except from age...

Though, it could be vain to say that I deserve heaven- which I don't think I do...

NOT saying, that being alive is not enough reason to be good, and to take care of each other- as fellow humans- with respect and love.

I dont belive this is hell, theres too much good stuff. Limbo pherhaps.. altho some peoples circumstances and lifestyles are much better than others... are there diff levels of limbo dependin on how good a person you were in your previous life? or is it all bollocks? ( i suspect the latter)

Originally Posted by Sandform

When it comes to a claim about the existence of something "you can't prove it doesn't exist" isn't an argument, at all. I assume it is because the argument it is responding to is usually "you have given no proof for its existence." The problem is that the only proof of the non-existence of the claim is the nonexistence of evidence.

But the problem here is that supernatural claims ARE NOT HARD to prove, or at least they would not be hard to prove if they were true. Your argument that "gaps can be filled" is no argument at all. A claim such as supernatural things exists would not be hard to prove, at all.

I'm sure you've asked many wiccans to perform spells for you and saw they didn't work...

They are hard to prove, I'd say impossible. Society does not accept supernatural beliefs, hard evidence or not it would be laughed out by the majority of the scientific community.

I've seen may a spell casted and worked.. So... I have seen it in action.

Simple as putting a penny in my shoe after he said a little spell. Saying I would "Run into some money".

Later that day I ran my foot into about 20 pennies next to eachother on the ground.

Coincidence I'm sure. haha.



Don't worry guys, you'll have many chances at life to get it right(In my opinion only of course)

Originally Posted by Serenity Dragon

Lol, I bet someone ish laughing at me.

First off, I was one of the newbies who was confused about OBEs, etc. I was having random odd dreams, before I even joined this site. I was naturally going through SP. I had no idea what it was. I was hallucinating so much, and I was extremely scared. I mean, who wouldn't be, right? Wake up at night, and have something scream in your face, get nightmares about things haunting you, wake up and hear a creepy whisper and oh... my favorite wake up to seeing a monster right before your own eyes! Eff! I was terrified. I had to look it all up and calm myself down. It took a month for the hallucinations to calm down. Not only that was going on, but my energy was going crazy. My family meditates, my father knows a lot about energy. I learned from him. Lol, yeah, laugh at me if you want. Now that I got that junk out of the way, I'll say what I think.

I think ghosts are different than spirits. Ghosts are just left behind energy of when someone has died. Spirits are the ones who linger, or stay on the Earth for personal reasons, could be because of the attachment to the Earth, many reasons. Others stay because they want to teach people etc. The ghosts are just random energy floating about which would sound like they are haunting people. Spirits are hidden to human eye, unless they want to be seen. Few people are born with the gift to talk to them/see them.

If you have ever heard of "energy can never be created or destroyed", it also goes with souls too. I believe that when we die, our soul goes to Heaven, and then we are reborn again.

Yes yes yes, you can laugh at me all you want. *sigh*

i am very glad you said that because that is actually a perfect scientific explanation, because if there really is an energy within us(of an unknown form) then the law of conservation of energy must come in somewhere, so there must be ghosts.

the only problem is actually discovering this form of energy, unless it is light, heat, sound, magnetic, neuclear, electrical, chemical, potential or kinetic(these are the only 9 forms of energy known), but any of these energies we have in us, i think do actually go somewhere, they are not destroyed, and i think people know where they went, for example, heat is just passed into the air.

the only thimg i can think of is the electrical energy in our brains, i have no idea where that goes, so ghosts may be the electrical energy from our brain and nervous system which has not been destroyed because that would defy the laws of physics.

so my conclusion is, (infact it would be serenity dragon who would get the credit for this one) ghosts do exist.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Later that day I ran my foot into about 20 pennies next to eachother on the ground.

Coincidence I'm sure. haha.

Actually yeah it is a coincidence, cause I'm pretty sure the point of that spell wasn't to run into 20 pennies...it was probably to get you some extra cash that was worth something.

You've put it in your mind that anything that comes remotely close to the spell working would mean the spell worked. You would have also thought the spell worked if you got 200$ for some lame reason or found a 20 beneath the seat cushions or in your wallet that you lost 10 years ago. I have run across pennies before on the ground collectively myself before. The most logical thing to do would be to first consider where you found the pennies and why it is likely they are there. You only "remember" the pennies because it "seemed" to be a hit and not a miss. If you weren't doing that stupid spell you wouldn't even remember the pennies, and them any other pennies you have likely came across in life.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Actually yeah it is a coincidence, cause I'm pretty sure the point of that spell wasn't to run into 20 pennies...it was probably to get you some extra cash that was worth something.

You've put it in your mind that anything that comes remotely close to the spell working would mean the spell worked. You would have also thought the spell worked if you got 200$ for some lame reason or found a 20 beneath the seat cushions or in your wallet that you lost 10 years ago. I have run across pennies before on the ground collectively myself before. The most logical thing to do would be to first consider where you found the pennies and why it is likely they are there. You only "remember" the pennies because it "seemed" to be a hit and not a miss. If you weren't doing that stupid spell you wouldn't even remember the pennies, and them any other pennies you have likely came across in life.

Of course it's a coincidence, no matter what or why it happened, it would have been in your eyes.. But if you understood the power of your words you would understand why I Literally ran into some money. He didn't specify how much, so to assume a large monetary value is silly.

Someone could cast a spell that they will get hit by a tiny meteorite and after getting hit with it you'd still probably just call it a coincidence. That's basically why your opinion on the logicality is pointless to me.
I knew what you were gonna say before you said it, though that wasn't my psychic powers that was my intuition.

It was about 10 minutes after the guy said it, pitch black outside mind you I just happened to drag my foot at the right time.. But sure, all coincidence after all nothing supernatural or unexplainable has ever happened in life. We are only a factor of science...

(I also love how you've entered my mind and know exactly how I think.. are you psychic yourself? Or just making stupid assumptions.)

So let me start with my own, you put your mind into the unbelieving anything that hasn't been explained to you by science... Enjoy yourself, I'll continue to control my destiny a little more than you.

P.S. When the spell worked, meaning I ran into the pennies I was talking to my Girlfriend paying no attention to my conscious self..

P.S.S. You obviously don't understand the basics of magic, a very complicated artform that has survived longer than any major religion. Present at times in almost all religions... shunned out of some. I wonder why...

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Of course it's a coincidence, no matter what or why it happened, it would have been in your eyes.. But if you understood the power of your words you would understand why I Literally ran into some money. He didn't specify how much, so to assume a large monetary value is silly.

Someone could cast a spell that they will get hit by a tiny meteorite and after getting hit with it you'd still probably just call it a coincidence. That's basically why your opinion on the logicality is pointless to me.
I knew what you were gonna say before you said it, though that wasn't my psychic powers that was my intuition.

It was about 10 minutes after the guy said it, pitch black outside mind you I just happened to drag my foot at the right time.. But sure, all coincidence after all nothing supernatural or unexplainable has ever happened in life. We are only a factor of science...

(I also love how you've entered my mind and know exactly how I think.. are you psychic yourself? Or just making stupid assumptions.)

So let me start with my own, you put your mind into the unbelieving anything that hasn't been explained to you by science... Enjoy yourself, I'll continue to control my destiny a little more than you.

P.S. When the spell worked, meaning I ran into the pennies I was talking to my Girlfriend paying no attention to my conscious self..

P.S.S. You obviously don't understand the basics of magic, a very complicated artform that has survived longer than any major religion. Present at times in almost all religions... shunned out of some. I wonder why...

Lawl ok. I'm so sure. Because words are special! Like there is only one language too and we are born with it and words are inherent... What if I set up a computer to use the voice function to continue to cast a spell over and over again? Would it actually be casting spells or, as I suspect, would it just be making noise like humans do?

I do indeed understand the basic of magic. I see it for what it is, misunderstanding.

First let me ask you this, how often do you and your friends cast magic spells? Is it an amount that is more than just one time in your life? Because if you cast spells continuously, and I don't even mean all the time I just mean that at no point in your life do you stop forever, then you're right it is beyond coincidence that you tripped over some pennies. I would say it indeed goes beyond coincidence, it becomes a logical probability.

First, any number of things could have happened that you would have taken to mean that magic had caused it. Second, the more you cast spells the more likely one of them will seem to have worked because you are only looking at the "hits" instead of the "misses." If I write down thirty random things a day the odds are that by the end of the month I will have had at least as many predictions come true as days in the month, not because I'm "psychic" or have "intuition" but because logically the more you do something like cast spells for something (or *cough* pray *cough*) the more likely it becomes that something resembling it will come true.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

If you assume you are in hell, you will never get to heaven.

Definitely. But, if we are in the "real hell", we won't need to assume this. There will be an internal darkness of such an extreme to have one admit that all hope is lost. There, you are stuck in eternal, mental agony. Nowhere to turn, "failure" in every fragment of your mind. Without the light of awareness, nothing real is known.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Actually yeah it is a coincidence,

No matter what context, everything is a "coincidence". Reality is a perfectly operational and unfolding cosmos. An occasional "coincidence" seems to then mean that something has merely met the standards of a persons unique value or meaning at that period of time. If you shift your focus to witness rather than an experience, you will slowly begin to see just how perfectly well timed your universe works; "coincidences" are miraculously commonplace. Synchronicity is naturally everywhere, if we have clouded awareness we may not even notice any of it.

Everything affects everything else, and your strongest intentions are what attracts the proper circumstances. What you hold in mind tends to "manifest". The word "manifest" seems to have a magical or mystical connotation, but it is an appropriate term in a nonlinear universe.

Earth isn't hell, earth is beutifull, look at the nature around you, gaze into the sky at night, it's not like we are in cages. I believe that after we die we either reincarnate as another human, or our energies leave our 3D body and go into the 4th dimension.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lawl ok. I'm so sure. Because words are special! Like there is only one language too and we are born with it and words are inherent... What if I set up a computer to use the voice function to continue to cast a spell over and over again? Would it actually be casting spells or, as I suspect, would it just be making noise like humans do?

I do indeed understand the basic of magic. I see it for what it is, misunderstanding.

First let me ask you this, how often do you and your friends cast magic spells? Is it an amount that is more than just one time in your life? Because if you cast spells continuously, and I don't even mean all the time I just mean that at no point in your life do you stop forever, then you're right it is beyond coincidence that you tripped over some pennies. I would say it indeed goes beyond coincidence, it becomes a logical probability.

First, any number of things could have happened that you would have taken to mean that magic had caused it. Second, the more you cast spells the more likely one of them will seem to have worked because you are only looking at the "hits" instead of the "misses." If I write down thirty random things a day the odds are that by the end of the month I will have had at least as many predictions come true as days in the month, not because I'm "psychic" or have "intuition" but because logically the more you do something like cast spells for something (or *cough* pray *cough*) the more likely it becomes that something resembling it will come true.

I didn't say their was only one language... Their are thousands of languages, the whole point is what you form an idea then put it into words in whatever language you so please. The whole point is being as specific as possible.. Like the universe couldn't understand every possible language... It's infinite..

I didn't even cast that spell, this older wiccan who owned a shop actually did it.

You just seem to act like you know so much about a subject you have no understanding of , that's what I call misinformation or a biased opinion.

You wouldn't cast the same spell over and over again, that would be redundant and pointless. Once again showing you know nothing about the subject and are just jumping at shadows.

I would say that your post indeed goes beyond coincidence and becomes logical idiocy. (Also known as dancing around with words)

Once again you know nothing about spellwork or how it works, no one ever expects to have every single spell to work. Because just like prayer, it can be, then it shall be or shan't be.


The way you think is just like everything is one giant experiment when you really just need to relax and life take you over and stop over-analyzing everything.

You can say whatever you want really, doesn't change the fact that spells have worked for ages and will continue to work..

I have a feeling no matter what kind of "proof" was shown to you, you wouldn't believe. It's called being immutable, you need to assimilate the aspects of water into your life.

Spells just as prayers can not be answered every single time, after all that would make life far too easy. You always must put effort into your spells to help them come to past. Casting a spell and sitting still will get you nowhere, you must go out and try to accomplish what your spell was meant to do.

You must also understand the way the stars and planets correspond to certain days... But I won't even waste any more text trying to explain something to someone who denounces what I say because of the possibility that doing something tons of times would obviously lead to an eventual coming of what you want.

I've never casted a money spell, and he was the first spell I've ever seen live. And it worked.
And little ones have worked for me, but to each his own. I'll lead my life with just a little bit more control than you.

Actually the more you pray or cast spells the more desperate you look to the universe and the less likely it will answer or care.(but sure, you must be right)

After much thought I've decided to edit this post.


You and I, DeathCell, see the world differently. You find the evidence adequate, while I find it lacking. I wish both of us saw the world the same, and accurately, whatever accurate means, but we don't. So you know, I hope magic is real, so you actually do get benefits from usin it, but I don't believe it is.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Actually the more you pray or cast spells the more desperate you look to the universe and the less likely it will answer or care.(but sure, you must be right)

So magic is like praying to the universe?

Originally Posted by slash112

i wasnt entirely sure wether to put this here or not but anyway...

im not really a religious person but i have a few beliefs, i like to think that we all go to heaven, and the reason being is that where we are is hell, you cant get any worse than this, although i do think we should all make the most of life, but does anyone else believe we are in hell now so we all go to heaven?

I have not read everything up till here, but I do have a thought on this matter.

I came to believe that the world is one big organism and everything plays its part. That is for plants, water, animals and in my opinion also for humans. That it is not obvious doesn't mean it isn't there.

By being born we somehow disconnect on some level to the nature that is life and I would like to believe that - life and death - is part of that bigger circle of life. So by dying we find inner peace and "return" to that circle of life as a whole connecting to everything again.

So on one Level you could say that being disconnected from what we come from is kind of "hell" because it is unnatural. We feel helpless and on a desperate, constant search for answers. From a certain perspective we humans are pretty pittyful creatures. And we are fully aware that there is a good chance, we will never be able to answer any of the big questions.

So, in our living time, we are disconnected from our roots, from nature, from our surroundings and one of the reasons for poverty, wars and suffering is that the "invisible connection" is denied. We continuously move further away from our roots, thus creating this hell. Some people can still feel that connection, others shift into forgetting and accepting the new manmade surroundings and beliefsystems. (e.g. awareness of lucid dreaming.. why so few?)

So what I believe is that when we die, we return "home". It will be a pleasent expierience nothing like anyone could imagine. We loose our narrow consciousness and become "whole". That is a form of heaven, since it completes the circle and is the meaning of us.

That is of course just my current state of mind.

But for me believing this, it becomes true. Just for me, not for anyone else, but that is also the point of existing, I think. We live our lives with certain expectations and hopes and with that we create the world around us, individually.

It will make more sense after the confusing "living part", I guess

Originally Posted by tnemrot

So magic is like praying to the universe?

That would be my opinion. But yes.

Very different forms, more control taken in spells.

Sorry to burst your private sphere, but the world could be a lot worse than this. After all, it could be... hell. You know, with the towering flames and endless torture and shit. I will agree that life is generally one fucker of a horrible thing, but it REALLY could be worse. And that's only as far as human imagination can take us...

I don't believe in heaven and hell though, so that might just be easy for me to say. I just don't get karma, it doesn't make sense. Well, it made sense to me when I was like six, but I grew out of it.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Sorry to burst your private sphere, but the world could be a lot worse than this. After all, it could be... hell. You know, with the towering flames and endless torture and shit. I will agree that life is generally one fucker of a horrible thing, but it REALLY could be worse. And that's only as far as human imagination can take us...

I don't believe in heaven and hell though, so that might just be easy for me to say. I just don't get karma, it doesn't make sense. Well, it made sense to me when I was like six, but I grew out of it.

Hmm.... The world could be a lot worse that is right...


But it could be a LOT better.

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revalation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

Felt like quoting a song.

Has anyone ever thought that mabey hell was back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth and saitan ruled? But then god came along and through him out or something with an ice age. Sense hell is often connected with fire mabey the ice age put hell out (somewhere else). This sounds really stupid and off the wall but oh well. Just a thought. And Im sure theres someone out there that will go against this and will go in to detail of how this was simply impossible. But whatever. I'd Like to hear your opinions.

Originally Posted by Onahappynote

Has anyone ever thought that mabey hell was back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth and saitan ruled? But then god came along and through him out or something with an ice age. Sense hell is often connected with fire mabey the ice age put hell out (somewhere else). This sounds really stupid and off the wall but oh well. Just a thought. And Im sure theres someone out there that will go against this and will go in to detail of how this was simply impossible. But whatever. I'd Like to hear your opinions.

No.

Ok. It was just a thought. lol Thanks.

If by heaven you mean: ceasing to exist, then yes. I believe we will all cease to exist eventually. And guess what? When you cease to exist you no longer have the burden of being able to experience inconveniences and the passage of time! How wonderful!