Anarchy

**Belisarius** · 10-19-2004 01:18 PM

So you're saying theft is good but killing should be outlawed?

Government isn't some sacred institution, it's just a group that has a monopoly on the use of force, currency, the courts, roads, and other services in a given area. It uses these monopolies to take money from people in order to maintain and expand their monopoly. That the people being taken from select the leadership makes no difference. If they want to submit to government they may, but to force people who don't want to is as immoral as rape, theft, and slavery.

To say it isn't common doesn't mean it isn't possible. In medevil Iceland there was largely anarchy with various protection services acting as pseudo-states without borders, eventually one gained controll of all of Iceland and there was a State again. Also in medevil times there were Freistadt's or free cities where runaway serfs could go without fear of recapture. They were largely anarchies and were very successful economically.

With technological advances anarchy is much more feasible today, we can have private roads without tolls, organizations can communicate much easier to solve other problems, currency transactions are much easier, etc...

The key to anarchy is an armed society that is able to respond to agressive action. The agressive actor, otherwise, may be able to take controll of an area and form a state. No one is going to risk life and limb to stop someone from smoking pot, but they will to bring a murderer to justice who might otherwise kill their children.

**Kaniaz** · 10-19-2004 08:12 PM

I don't think the goverment is bad at all, really. *shrugs* They're not great at everything either, but they're not evil bloodsucking leeches or something.

**Umbrasquall** · 10-20-2004 06:00 AM

Hmm I really don't think taxes is theft. Maybe taxation without reprens... oh god look what you made me do... relapse into US history!

Hmm, you're concept of anarchy is one in which not in which everyone has empathy, but functions on self-defense and egotism? AND everyone's armed? That's begging a lot of questions.

**SilvaStar** · 10-20-2004 06:25 AM

i understand what you're getting at....it's like the two most corrupt people get to duke it out and we are left to pick what we hope is the lesser of two evils. i hope not to offend anyone when i say this, but the only thing i can say about this years election is, those who are now voting for bush, at one time voted for dole, haha.

**Awaken** · 10-20-2004 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Kaniaz
I don't think the goverment is bad at all, really. *shrugs* They're not great at everything either, but they're not evil bloodsucking leeches or something.

I too hope this is true

But not being great at everything shouldn't excuse them from consequence either:

http://www.alternet.org/story/20222

It is shocking: The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election, and this one names names. Although the report by the inspector general's office of the CIA was completed in June, it has not been made available to the Congressional intelligence committees that mandated the study almost two years ago.[/b]

Figured this might be the right place for this. If not I welcome an admin to move it

**dextrometh orphan** · 11-20-2004 06:03 AM

In a system where poeple compete for wealth and the power that comes with it, the ones who are the most ruthless in their pursuit are the ones who end up with the most of both, of course. thus the capitalist system ENCOURAGES deceit, exploitation, and cutthroat competitition, and rewards tose who go to those lengths by giving them the most power and the greatest say about what goes on in society.
http://copvcia.com

**Belisarius** · 01-03-2005 02:00 AM

Originally posted by Squall
Hmm I really don't think taxes is theft. Maybe taxation without reprens... oh god look what you made me do... relapse into US history!

Hmm, you're concept of anarchy is one in which not in which everyone has empathy, but functions on self-defense and egotism? AND everyone's armed? That's begging a lot of questions.

How is it not theft? You are forcing someone to give you money. It doesn't matter whether you voted for a person who decides how much to force you to give and what to spend it on, even if it were a direct democracy it would be merely tyranny by the majority.

My concept of anarchy is not exclusive of generosity and empathy(which would likely flourish anyway due to an increase in wealth), but it does not rely on them and instead is built upon the basic economic behavior of individuals with as little unproductive interference(force) as possible. All force does is increase the cost of action, all coercion does is increase the percieved cost of action, whereas peaceful competition yields the higher valuation of an action or resource. When government is dismantled, the ammount of force in society will likely decrease(as exercising of force is costly), this will be true especially if the populaces posesses the ability to exercise force directly with some proficiency.

**Kaniaz** · 01-03-2005 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Belisarius+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Belisarius)</div>

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Hmm I really don't think taxes is theft. Maybe taxation without reprens... oh god look what you made me do... relapse into US history!

Hmm, you're concept of anarchy is one in which not in which everyone has empathy, but functions on self-defense and egotism? AND everyone's armed? That's begging a lot of questions.

How is it not theft? You are forcing someone to give you money. [/b]

(I have an habit of replying to only one sentence. Being 14 now, I haven't exactly got many opinons on big fat things like this formed yet. So now you know every post in philosphy is an leap of acrobatical-intellect for me

Well, you're not being forced. You can just not pay. I mean, the definition of theft (yes, i hate it when people do this...word games, but anyway) is:

larceny: the act of taking something from someone unlawfully; \"the thieving is awful at Kennedy International\"[/b]

So I suppose a better word might be taking. Not theft, no chance. Theft would be where they could just jump into your house at night and steal it while you sleep. They're not doing that. As far as I'm aware, you have to fill out a bunch of forms. But anyway, it's not as if it's that bad. All the services we use - the roads, hospitals?, police, etc. All the money to fund those things has to come from somewhere - and it may as well be the people that use it.

**Belisarius** · 01-04-2005 02:24 AM

You're right, it isn't theft, it's extortion, that's more correct.

Of course the services provided to us should be paid for by us, but that doesn't mean that it has to belong to a government which offers the services for "free" and makes you pay for them reguardless of whether you use them or not which makes them ridiculously difficult to compete with.

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