Thread: What is God made of?

Dunno.

God is a creation of the mind. The essence of God is that pink squishy mass of flesh that most theists fail to use correctly.

What do you think God is made of?

• God isn't made up of anything but yet is made up of everything that exists.

What is spirit?

• It is that which exists.

Is it something non-material, if it is what is it exactly and how do you know it exists?

• It is something that cannot be seen, but can be felt. It has the ability to animate people. I know it exists by personal experience and by faith.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

God isn't made up of anything but yet is made up of everything

Why are you here MindGames?

Because my dad fucked my mom and got her knocked up. And yourself?

Same here, but I mean why did you come to this particular thread?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Same here, but I mean why did you come to this particular thread?

Why not? I think I made a pretty legitimate point that God only exists in the mind.

Originally Posted by MindGames

Why not? I think I made a pretty legitimate point that God only exists in the mind.

So you wanted to make a point that God exists in the mind to who exactly? It can't be the OP he explained his position already, which is pretty much the same as yours. So who is the point directed at?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So you wanted to make a point that God exists in the mind to who exactly? It can't be the OP he explained his position already, which is pretty much the same as yours. So who is the point directed at?

What the fuck? The OP asked a question, and I answered it. The OP's views are irrelevant. What don't you understand about the nature of forums?

Well, you didn't really answer the question. I was curious because I was just interested in what motivated you and I figured it out, thanks.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Well, you didn't really answer the question.

Yes, I did. My response is that I was directing my original statement at the OP's question. What does it matter?

In case I didn't make it clear enough (maybe you misinterpreted what I was saying), "God is a creation of the mind." God consists of the physical neurons that make up your brain, therefore he exists only in one's mind. Fact.

Just curious to hear your opinion, what do you think motivates me?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

What do you think God is made of?

• God isn't made up of anything but yet is made up of everything that exists.

A isn't B, yet A is B. Contradiction. Next.

What is spirit?

• It is that which exists.

A spirit is that which exists? There are a multitude of things that exist, are all of them spirits or do all of them have spirits? What is a spirit made of? Do you have empirical evidence that supports your hypothesis?

Is it something non-material, if it is what is it exactly and how do you know it exists?

• It is something that cannot be seen, but can be felt. It has the ability to animate people. I know it exists by personal experience and by faith.

Not. Good. Enough.

A) Dark Matter

B) Antimatter

C) A cluster of Higgs Boson particles.

D) A concentrated amount of zero point energy.

Cheese.

Phlebotinum.

Also how is something known to exist by faith? How do you use a sense of sureness about the truth of something to discover that something is true?

Regarding pantheism: it's meaningless, and if you think it is meaningful then you've been tricked by your own flimsy grasp of what language is. You call the universe 'God' and what new information have you obtained? Nothing. You're just as enlightened as if you called the universe 'Fred' or 'sponge' or 'the universe', or if you called England or rain 'God'. Words don't have objective meaning, they're just placeholders for what you already understand by the object they refer to. The universe will not suddenly take on the other meaning of the sound 'sponge' and become porous, nor will rain take on the other meaning of the guttural syllable 'God' and start setting fire to bushes.

In the same way by calling the universe 'God'... it's still just the universe. So what?

The term "made" only applies to material things, so if god is non-material then the only answer can be "nothing" even though that doesn't really answer the question. God is not constrained by time and space because time and space are contained by god. This physical reality is merely a subset of "god" and so the superset (god) cannot be defined by the properties of the subset (physical reality, form/duration and substance). Within this reality, entities are described as "beings" which implies an active process of existence. You are a being until your form or substance changes to the point of unrecognizability. Spacially, this point is the edge of your boundary (limits of your physical body) and temporally by your duration (birth to death). God is that which is; existence without the boundaries of time and space. In christianity god is called I Am, which is a form of being that is not active but merely a static statement of existence.

The only thing that I am aware of that is similarly unconstrained by time and space is consciousness. Many claim that consciousness is the non-physical "substance" that reality is "composed" of but I try not to think of it in those terms because substance and composition are, once again, only applicable within physical spacetime. For those who want proof that consciousness is not constrained by physical reality, all you have to do is use your imaaaginaaation. Obviously you are aware that it is possible to become conscious of something that does not exist within physical reality, or something in the future or the past that does not exist yet or no longer does. Consciousness is also able to contain the concept of "nothing" which is similarly unconstrained by time and space.

If consciousness is unconstrained by what exists, then it must be "outside" of physical reality (again, outside denotes spacial constraints; there is no outside without physical reality). "Reality" as you know it is merely the perceptions of your physical body interpretted by your consciousness. Said in another way, your consciousness uses your perceptions to create physical reality. Therefore the creator is consciousness, therefore god is consciousness.

How do I know? I don't.

Very well put Xaqaria.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The only thing that I am aware of that is similarly unconstrained by time and space is consciousness.

Consciousness is contained and created by the brain. When people used to get beheaded by guillotines, the human head would remain conscious for about 30 seconds to a minute and respond to external stimuli before it died due to the lack of blood circulated. Therefore, the time restraint of consciousness is the duration of life, and the spacial restraint is the limits of the human brain. The body isn't going to remain conscious after a beheading. The only thing occurring in the human body are going to be spastic twitches and all the internal organs shutting down.

Notice that people also become unconscious when still alive, such as when one gets knocked over the head really hard. The individual has no recollection of the space of time when they were unconscious, further signifying that the brain plays a major role in the creation and sustainment of consciousness. If consciousness was still sustained during the space of time in which they were deemed 'unconscious', then they would be able to remember what happened, as opposed to having no recollection whatsoever.

Originally Posted by MindGames

Consciousness is contained and created by the brain....

I don't think this is what he means, I think he means is that it is possible to be conscious of things that aren't part of this reality, like unicorns. I could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by Xei

Regarding pantheism: it's meaningless, and if you think it is meaningful then you've been tricked by your own flimsy grasp of what language is. You call the universe 'God' and what new information have you obtained? Nothing. You're just as enlightened as if you called the universe 'Fred' or 'sponge' or 'the universe', or if you called England or rain 'God'. Words don't have objective meaning, they're just placeholders for what you already understand by the object they refer to. The universe will not suddenly take on the other meaning of the sound 'sponge' and become porous, nor will rain take on the other meaning of the guttural syllable 'God' and start setting fire to bushes.

In the same way by calling the universe 'God'... it's still just the universe. So what?

It's useful if you want to try to make sense out of what theists and certain holy people(like Jesus) are saying. However, if you'd rather look at them as idiots it is quite useless. In my opinion pantheism doesn't shine much light in a scientific manner on the universe(if it shines any), but it makes spiritual and religious ideas make a hell of a lot more sense. If you'd rather just disregard spirituality all together or somehow prove that it is strictly wrong then clearly it's useless.

I don't identify myself as a pantheist or see pantheism as a way of life or anything, but it is an interesting idea. Or at least more meaningful to me than the idea that the source of life is a dude in the sky. The source is the existential universe.

Words are mainly used as references to physical things, but they also create images. This is the purpose of pantheism or the idea that the universe is god. It creates an image.



Xaquaria, I don't really disagree with anything you've said, but I wonder if you could clarify a few things.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The term "made" only applies to material things, so if god is non-material then the only answer can be "nothing" even though that doesn't really answer the question.

By this do you mean that god is material or non-material or both? It seems like you mean both.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

"Reality" as you know it is merely the perceptions of your physical body interpretted by your consciousness. Said in another way, your consciousness uses your perceptions to create physical reality. Therefore the creator is consciousness, therefore god is consciousness.

This seems to me to be somewhat contradictory with the idea that god is the superset. This may just be because god is an extremely ambiguous word and has multiple uses and meanings.

Consciousness seems to be the god or creator of "reality" or reality in the mind. It's my opinion that this "reality" is created by existential reality, that there really is stuff "out there" that we are interacting with which is creating this experience. I don't think that our perceptions create our physical reality, I think it's the other way around. This is where it turns into a bit of a chicken or the egg question. Which came first, existence or consciousness?

Do you think god has an individual consciousness?

Originally Posted by stonedape

What do you think God is made of?

Me.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

• God isn't made up of anything but yet is made up of everything that exists.

This is a somewhat confusing statement. Do you mean that God is the substance of all things?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

• It is that which exists.

• It is something that cannot be seen, but can be felt. It has the ability to animate people. I know it exists by personal experience and by faith.

If it is something that exists, how can it be non-material? How do you define exist? Is spirit the thing that exists or the force that moves it? Personally I don't see the two as separate.

If it is that which exists, can this not be seen? I am seeing my computer which is a part of that which exists right now.

Is it really by faith that you know of it, or is it by faith that you believe it is a kind of non-material conscious entity? What leads you to believe that it is non-material?

experience