Thread: God is Absolute

God is Absolute. God is Love, Love is light, light is truth. What I have learned from the I Am, That I Am, is perspective is key. Language is a barrier. The spoken word is of man. It is how God communicated to us through his son, it (the spoken word) is imperfect and there for not be of God. Gods language is of the heart. The only way to the father is through his son through love, compassion and forgiveness. Through him you will see the truth of who is your father. When the light of God has shown on you there is no doubt because you suddenly know the truth as if a vail is lifted and now you see.
Mathew 6:22.
105. Your word is a lamp to my
foot,
And a light for my path.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was a god.


The Word is Christ Jesus.
Replace the word (Word) with Christ Jesus

God always finds away. I was studying cards, crystals, reiki, before the dream the dream of light or when I came to know Jesus Christ and dropped all my dogmas coming to know the light and the truth. What I did learn from theses items was that I didn't see the Jesus in my ascended masters deck as the son of God, but as a consciousness of love, compassion and forgiveness. I could accept this as truth. I dropped the old ideas of Jesus that I learned from the Church as this poor son of God who had been killed for me. A son of God in pain and death. This I could not accept. I could not accept that this could of been done to another human being. I thought it was all a lie, just as Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, and the Easter bunny were all fables. If it was the truth I did not want to know it. So, I had a block to that idea of Jesus. The dream of light when God came to me showed me that he was always shinning and if I could not see him it was because I did not comprehend the whole truth. From the perspective of Light the absolute God of Love burns away all fear showing you the depth of his love that is at the core of your being. You are the son of God because he created you in his image man and women. I learned that God is not outside myself in the cards, and crystals but he used that to show me I am not alone. He knows my heart and know just like you I want the truth to set me free. He is the core of my existence and it is pure love!

Once again, thank you for sharing! All this is so profoundly and well said.

God is Absolute. God is Love, Love is light, light is truth.

What you said there, is as good as it get when it comes to put it in words. So everytime I see people who dont seem to grasp or speak from this truth. They will create errors in what they claim to be true about the absolute/universe/world or what ever they might refering too. If people started to base their arguments from love. They would begin to be able to see the light that shines on what is true. So if someone try to argue from another place than that. They will eventually fail or create false "knowing" for them self or others.

The dream of light when God came to me showed me that he was always shinning and if I could not see him it was because I did not comprehend the whole truth.

I just love this one. There is not much more to be added to that really. But I just wanted to say that I think it is important to remember for everyone to search to see God and not claiming God. Because God is to be seen in everything that really matters to us, that's he beauty of it.

Moved to Religion/Spirituality

Thank you!

Sorry to break it to you, but there are no gods.
No Alllah, no YAHWE and no Zeus.

How are you so sure?

Originally Posted by Hunter491

Sorry to break it to you, but there are no gods.
No Alllah, no YAHWE and no Zeus.

How are you so sure?

Im not sure.
But the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim.
Are you sure i dont have a flying pink pony in my closet?
No you re not

Originally Posted by Hunter491

Im not sure.
But the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim.
Are you sure i dont have a flying pink pony in my closet?
No you re not

LOL, no I'm not sure if there is a flying pink pony in your closet but I don't think I would be able to hold that secret in if it were in fact true nor would I want to!
There is no burden on me to prove what I know in my heart to be true. I am not here to prove anything to anyone but to live the truth and share my experience. The truth is you are love it is the core of your being. Only those that are ready to hear the truth will. I have experienced God, light, source, higher self, whichever name you choose to give the source of all there is. I have searched for many years. The true search began when my fierce died suddenly. My world collapsed and "reality" was not what I thought it to be. From my perspective everything was a lie! The years that followed I lived recklessly free from fear. I didn't not care what happen to me because as far as I was concerned the worst had already happen my love was taken away!!! I had $800 in my pocket and got on a plane with no plan except to see the things he would never see and escape all the memories. In the first few years I spent a lot of time in the St. Croix and Costa Rica drinking, partying, jumping off roof tops into pools, living in abandoned buildings and living for the moment. I was unconscious and in a lot of emotional pain that I drank away day after day. Looking back it was quite a ride and continues to be so. White has changed is now my pain is gone and I'm filled with Gratatude and Love. Love for myself and everyone. I had to completely fall apart to find myself. Now I can honestly say I am grateful to Josh for his passing and being the catalyst that allowed me to find my soul. I grew up Catholic but thought it all a lie deception, away to control people. Now I see that I was cought up in the language. It wasn't abought what everyone else believed and how they believed it. It was about me asking questions about myself and what "I" believe and what I know to be true. Surrending to all my previous beliefs and dogmas. Seeing and understanding the world through the eyes of a child.

Originally Posted by Kaitakaro

The believe that the universe was created alone ,from a huge explosion out of nothing and some very convenient natural laws is also a very absurd claim...

I can understand that heavy exposure to Abraham religion madness can make one inclined to Atheism, but Atheism is not science its also a religious believe...

You are making the same mistake a majority of theists (and some supposed atheists) make about Atheism. I get where you are coming from when you say it's a "religious" belief, but that right there illustrates the issue here. Atheism is not a belief about anything. Atheism does not claim that God or gods do not exist. Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or gods because the scientific evidence we have doesn't support the belief that a god or many gods exist. Atheism can't be a religious belief, because it isn't a belief it all, it is specifically the lack of a belief.

Some atheists take things a step too far and wind up asserting that god or gods do not or cannot exist, and some atheists do wind up kind of forming communities that suggest that atheism is almost like a form of religion, despite it being devoid of any of the qualities that make religions... religions. It's therefore easy for people to mistakenly believe that atheism itself is a "religion", that it's like a religion, or that it's at the very least a religious belief, because it is a belief that concerns a religious topic. However, as I've already stated, these are strawman representations of atheism/atheists. Atheism by definition is a lack of a belief in god or gods. And I know I sound like a broken record by now, but it is not a belief that god or gods don't exist. There is definite nuance in my last two statements. At first glance it can be difficult to understand just how nuanced they are, but it's enough to render most of the ideas that theists have and posit about atheists into nothing more than strawmen, at best. It's indicative of a flawed understanding of what atheism is from the get-go, and that understanding has to be corrected before any meaningful discussion can happen on the subject.

On the topic of the Big Bang being equally absurd... it actually has evidence supporting it. That being said, even if it is a far-fetched idea, it is not even close as being the same level of absurdity as the gods presented in the world's various religions. One idea has a lot more going for it, and it doesn't have a lot more going for it simply because a lot of people choose to believe it. There is at least some level of empirical evidence and critical thought that has gone into the idea. If I had to pick, it would easily be the theory I would go with (the other theories being the various organized religions around the world). To act like somebody is foolish for arriving at this decision because it's also an absurd idea is ignoring the very values we hold when it comes to good decision making. If you really believe that picking something that makes you feel better is a better criterion for decision making then I have to question whether somebody who uses the same criteria in decision making as you should be considered qualified to hold a political office of any kind, or be any kind of leader in society. I wouldn't really go that far, but the fact that you think that the various religions around the world are equally as absurd as the Big Bang Theory, or rather that any of the religions could possibly be less absurd (because to do so means you don't base your decisions on evidence or logical reasoning) is honestly disheartening and a bit... scary. Scary isn't quite the right word, but I can't find one that's better.

Originally Posted by lidybug

The truth is you are love it is the core of your being.

I really, really don't like such terribly ambiguous and nigh meaningless statements. Can you please explain to me what you mean about people being love, and love is the core of one's being? I've heard people say things like "life is love, everything is love" before, but at most it comes across as incredibly shallow emotional spiritual babble. What is the statement even supposed to mean? How can I take it seriously? From all of my experiences in life, I know for a fact that love was not my default state of being. That is to say, I was not born being a loving being. Children are incredibly cruel and borderline evil. They can be incredibly violent, and one could even go as far as to say they are capable of torture in the right situation. They are some of the most monstrous bullies you could even encounter. The idea that children are pure and innocent has never made sense to me. They are demonstrably some of the most psychopathic, vicious, and cold-hearted beings out there, next to adults who possess the same negative traits. Eventually they are taught kindness, to behave appropriately, to care for one another, to experience love, and to do the right thing.

So, it wouldn't be fair to say we are born as loving beings, so how can we say that love is at the core of one's being (let alone that we are love)? How can we say that life is love, and that everything is love? It's a gross idealization of reality, and at best highly wishful thinking. Reality is so much more complicated than that--your statement is just... meaningless. What's more, it completely baffles me. What implications does love being the core of our being have on humanity and on individual people? What purpose does the statement have? What idea are you really trying to get across? What does it mean in grand scheme of things? Are you just trying to say that, indirectly it means God is part of us, or that we are a part of God? That last bit is about the only idea I could come up with, and if it's what you were meaning to say, why not actually say that instead?

I don't mean to sound so hostile or negative, but it's kind of a pet-peeve/annoyance when people make statements that you can tell they believe are profound and meaningful--something really worth saying--but in reality it is a generally bland and relatively meaningless statement. It means about as much to me as saying that, "God's light is truth", or some other such nonsense. What is that even trying to say?

Originally Posted by snoop

You are making the same mistake a majority of theists (and some supposed atheists) make about Atheism. I get where you are coming from when you say it's a "religious" belief, but that right there illustrates the issue here. Atheism is not a belief about anything. Atheism does not claim that God or gods do not exist. Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or gods because the scientific evidence we have doesn't support the belief that a god or many gods exist. Atheism can't be a religious belief, because it isn't a belief it all, it is specifically the lack of a belief.

Some atheists take things a step too far and wind up asserting that god or gods do not or cannot exist, and some atheists do wind up kind of forming communities that suggest that atheism is almost like a form of religion, despite it being devoid of any of the qualities that make religions... religions. It's therefore easy for people to mistakenly believe that atheism itself is a "religion", that it's like a religion, or that it's at the very least a religious belief, because it is a belief that concerns a religious topic. However, as I've already stated, these are strawman representations of atheism/atheists. Atheism by definition is a lack of a belief in god or gods. And I know I sound like a broken record by now, but it is not a belief that god or gods don't exist. There is definite nuance in my last two statements. At first glance it can be difficult to understand just how nuanced they are, but it's enough to render most of the ideas that theists have and posit about atheists into nothing more than strawmen, at best. It's indicative of a flawed understanding of what atheism is from the get-go, and that understanding has to be corrected before any meaningful discussion can happen on the subject.

On the topic of the Big Bang being equally absurd... it actually has evidence supporting it. That being said, even if it is a far-fetched idea, it is not even close as being the same level of absurdity as the gods presented in the world's various religions. One idea has a lot more going for it, and it doesn't have a lot more going for it simply because a lot of people choose to believe it. There is at least some level of empirical evidence and critical thought that has gone into the idea. If I had to pick, it would easily be the theory I would go with (the other theories being the various organized religions around the world). To act like somebody is foolish for arriving at this decision because it's also an absurd idea is ignoring the very values we hold when it comes to good decision making. If you really believe that picking something that makes you feel better is a better criterion for decision making then I have to question whether somebody who uses the same criteria in decision making as you should be considered qualified to hold a political office of any kind, or be any kind of leader in society. I wouldn't really go that far, but the fact that you think that the various religions around the world are equally as absurd as the Big Bang Theory, or rather that any of the religions could possibly be less absurd (because to do so means you don't base your decisions on evidence or logical reasoning) is honestly disheartening and a bit... scary. Scary isn't quite the right word, but I can't find one that's better.

This depends like you said on the definition of Atheism:

The statment : "There is no god or gods" // is of course a believe as it simply has no empirical evidence and it is what i understand as Atheism

The statment : " The existence or non existence of some transcendent being , cannot be proven or disproven. Discourse in society should be based on empirical evidence
therefore god or no-god is irrelevant." // this is what i guess you say is Atheism, I know this as non-Theism and it is what i would support.



When i said "also very absurd claim" ,I don't mean that this two point of views are equal, just that they both equaly lack inherent meaning.
The book of genesis or the creation myth of the maya for that matter are absurd as without believe in their respective mythologies, they are just stories
( and not even very creative ones).
The Big bang is the prevailing model for the begin of the univerese in the scientific community and is based on some convincing empirical evidence.
So most likely from what we now today ( a free hundred years back most were sure the earth was flat) the first thing to exist was a huge explosion...
So what , science can answer a little part of the "how" but never the "why", when it comes to that its seems dommed to causations ad infinitum.

Try to be more relaxed and a bit less prejudiced Snoop...
Just so you know , when i comes to politics i would always support a rationalist point of view ,so no reason for you to be dishearted or scared.

Here in Europe we already have seen what raging atheist can do in politics. This doesn't make raging theist any less dangerous of course but should show you that
"Good politics" is really a bit more difficult than that.

That sure sounds good.
I was raised in a christian family, up until 14 years old i was a firm believer... But something changed and i realized its all fairy tales.
Additionally, let me say that again. The burden of proof lies on the person that makes that absurd claim
I do not need to prove to you that god(s) dont exist just as much as i dont need to prove to you that dwarfs and witches dont exist.

The believe that the universe was created alone ,from a huge explosion out of nothing and some very convenient natural laws is also a very absurd claim...

I can understand that heavy exposure to Abraham religion madness can make one inclined to Atheism, but Atheism is not science its also a religious believe...

Originally Posted by Kaitakaro

The believe that the universe was created alone ,from a huge explosion out of nothing and some very convenient natural laws is also a very absurd claim...

I can understand that heavy exposure to Abraham religion madness can make one inclined to Atheism, but Atheism is not science its also a religious believe...

no sir, atheism is not a religion.
atheist dont pray, dont worship, usually are not part of any organization of any sort.

Besides, is believing in dwarfs same as not believing in dwarfs?
Hardly.

gotta go to sleep, will be back in about 15 hours

Well i said atheism is a religious believe not a religion, theres a difference.
It is a believe as there is no empirical evidence whatsoever.

Atheism vs theism talks about a transcendent being this is no comparsion to dwarf vs no-dwarf
and to the burden of proof,in my point of view anyone who wants to tell somebody else what he/she has to feel , bears the burden of proof.

No, just no. Its not like i dont believe in gods, I disbelief. There is a profound diffrence betweeen these two statments.
Because i lack belief of any sorts in any magical superbeings.
Comparision to dwarfs is a good one as they are just real as god of yours

God is not a being outside of you it is the life force within you. It is not magical it is truth and there is no magic in truth it just is. Much love to you on your journey Hunter491.

Um, thanks I guess.
Still that does not bring much to the conversation mate

What would you like to talk about? I would love to continue a conversation. My understanding is that you do not believe and I am not here to make anyone believe. Only those who are ready and open will see. I can only share my experience. Would you like me to share more about that?

We create our reality in waking life much like we do in the dream state. There is much power in our thoughts.

I dont know really
Im just glad you dont threaten me with eternal damnation and fire, if i dont re convert to christianity
Coz, believe me. I ve had this like a lot.

We can only condem ourselves. God is Love and in him there is no darkness. You are the light of the world. When you see this your heart will fill with love (God) or should I say you will remember from where you came. I know it sounds criptic but expressing thoughts of God through the imperfect human language is challenging because Gods language is perfect love. Love is a state of being.

Question everything if it is not love it is not of God.

Originally Posted by Hunter491

...Im just glad you dont threaten me with eternal damnation and fire, if i dont re convert to christianity
Coz, believe me. I ve had this like a lot.

Do people still do this? I thought we'd finally outgrown such absurdity.

For what it's worth, the Catholic Church, for one, officially stopped making such threats or pronouncements in the 1960's, and they did so after the major protestant sects had already done so. And, of course, other major religions like Hindu and Buddhism never made such threats (I'm not sure about Islam). If you are being threatened with such nonsense, the folks doing so are way out of touch with their own religions.

Oh and in islamic countries people dont just say that one will go to hell, if he does not convert to islam. They are actually chopping off heads etc.

So... will i be tortured forever for my lack of belief?

be back in a few hours