Originally posted by Asher
*no shit. i mean, if he existed historically he would have been a dreadlocked revolutionary wandering the country with a ragtag bunch of disciples, rubbing elbows with hookers and outcasts, and throwing money changers out of the temple. *
*and presently fat, lazy 'christians' sit in their expensive churches on sunday and pretend they live according to the teachings of that same man, who is quoted in their bibles as saying "sell all you have, and give it to the poor"
*even the records of the early christian church (in the bible's book of Acts) describe it as a group of people following a radical new philosophy, sharing everything they owned and living communally.
*if i saw a church like that, i might give church-going another try *
I am not seeing enough discernment or distinction here.
Can anybody seriously suppose that the Catholic Religious Orders have any degree of responsibility for the Things which all of you are criticizing.
Yes, the Catholic Bishops are wrong for persisting to keep Paul remembered in Doctrine. But the Bishops represent less than .1% of the Catholic Church. And although they have taken upon themselves to suppose themselves the Heads of what they even refer to as the Secular Church, the Catholic Religious Orders are quite free to thumb their noises at those pompous Bishops.
But as deficient as the Bishops are, they at least recognize something of the Teachings of Christ. They deserve some credit there. If one needs to assign some Blame, and certainly there should be some blame for how the World has come to view Christian Hypocricy, then we should view the Protestants. ALL of their doctrine comes from Paul. There is not the slightest thread of Spirituality in the entire Protestant Realm. What Good Reputation Christianity had -- for afterall, every Moral Thought encompassed by our Civilization was brought to us by the Catholic Christian Church -- but the Protestant World, those who defeated Catholicism on the field of Battle, insisted on poisoning that Memory and ruining that good reputation with every slight and distortion that the english liars of Western History could propagate.
So when you are bitching about Christianity, you should care to compare those Paulist Hawks of the Religious Right -- those war-mongers, coin changers and slave drivers -- sinning because they are taught by Paul that by murdering Jesus, Heaven would still be at the end of the road that they pave deep and dirty in the vilest Sin -- compare these Protestants with the Holy Orders of Ascetic Religous Poverty that have always and still do form the core of Catholic Spirituality.
Go to your Hindu Yogins, your Sufi Orders, your Buddhist Monks and ask them how the Catholic Religios Orders measure up even in their own frames of reference. Indeed, I once surprised me, but it became quite common place to see that those Religious Orders of all the World's Higher Religions were welcome to attend 'Crossover Retreats' at the Catholic Monasteries and Convents, and when the invitations came from the other direction, the Catholic Religious Orders were delighted to attend the Retreats and Conferences of those their Spiritual Brothers.
Is it not ironic, that while it is Catholic Civilization which has taught the West all of its concepts and traditions of Morality, it is with these very same vestiges of Moral Reflection that the West attacks what is left of those moral and religious institutions. If you want to blame Christianity, then you should at least use your discernment and correct your aim. The Protestant Paulists, who have never had anything to do with Christ, who destroyed Moral Civilization for their Warism and Capitalism -- that is whom you should be targetting.
Instead you pick on monks and nuns. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Throwing stones at Mother Theresa.
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