Thread: Create Existence From Scratch Your Way...

To be honest, I'd be a totalitarian dictator,
No free will
Pure unadulterated happiness
No such thing as suffering
people wouldnt actually die, the earth would be so large it would never suffer a population crisis, it would be outside the scope of imagination.
No such thing as disease
No such thing as mutation, there would be no need for evolution, people would already have every feature they needed.
Humans would be herbivores (like me) just a bit of bias there, but we certainly wouldnt kill animals.
I dont think I'd have a son, but if i did, I dont reckon I'd ahve him tortured. NAh i mnot gonna go for that one.
haha
Thats me done.

Imran

Okay! This is going to be fun.

First of all, since I am the creater and I know everything, I know who will betray me when they are created, so I don't create Satan. I create Eve first, mostly because I'm a woman and I'm creating her in my image, though, I suppose I don't have to do that do I? I could make her look like a gold fish... Awesome. But, I'll be nice and make her look normal, then make Adam. Now, when I write my holy text, I will empasize the point that men and women are equal to get rid of all of that gender biasm garbage that has existed since the beginning of time. Also, though I have the ability to screw them over by giving them an apple tree that will condemn their species to hell, instead I think I will just give them normal fruit trees and let them live in their paradise. Now, the pain of child birth supposedly came into existance b/c Eve ate the apple, but I was nice enough to not want to torment them so child birth will be painless. By the way, what did dogs ever do to have to endure the very same pain? Or any other animals for that matter? That really annoys me. Its not like they ate the apple. Anyway, since I have infinite power, I also have the ability to bless my subjects w/ knowledge, but they would still be sinless. So, basically my society would be modernized like the world is now, but w/ absolutely no crime, b/c people would be peaceful. But, for the record, people still have to die in order to make room for new people, so that will always be a painless process b/c I am a merciful person when it comes to that kind of stuff. And like Imran, I would make everyone into vegitarians. Also, if I were god, there would not only be life on this planet, there would be life on billions of planets, and there would be some really cool reptilian aliens on planets trillions of lightyears away (yeah, I know I'm strange). Everyone, reptilian aliens included, would be allowed into heaven, b/c they would all be perfect and sinless. Yeah, I think that's basically it.

I would create a creator-assistant, or give a ring to one of you

Is this a serious question? How logically is it even to create anything at all? Are you bored? Can't be, you are infinitely perfect, right? You could just 'think' about the world, and you would gain the same things as from actual creation.

It is illogical for a prefect god to create anything at all.

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Anyhow, if I did.. seriously, I wouldn't create anything. Sure, I can create a world without suffering and just happiness, but what value does it have? Since I am the only real factor, I could only create terms like suffering, happiness, ect, does that give them value? I don't think so.

I might make myself subjected to emotions and such, and would create my own pleasures. To make your creations happy is like making a computer pro gramme of a fish, and care a shit about whether the fish says 'I am happy', or 'I fell sad'.

Actually I do care at the moment, even about that fish, but I am subject to emotions, a god isn't.

I can't make it any better it impossible to do so if you think this is stupid then you do not understand.

Originally Posted by Chaos

Okay! This is going to be fun.

First of all, since I am the creater and I know everything, I know who will betray me when they are created, so I don't create Satan. I create Eve first, mostly because I'm a woman and I'm creating her in my image, though, I suppose I don't have to do that do I? I could make her look like a gold fish... Awesome. But, I'll be nice and make her look normal, then make Adam. Now, when I write my holy text, I will empasize the point that men and women are equal to get rid of all of that gender biasm garbage that has existed since the beginning of time. Also, though I have the ability to screw them over by giving them an apple tree that will condemn their species to hell, instead I think I will just give them normal fruit trees and let them live in their paradise. Now, the pain of child birth supposedly came into existance b/c Eve ate the apple, but I was nice enough to not want to torment them so child birth will be painless. By the way, what did dogs ever do to have to endure the very same pain? Or any other animals for that matter? That really annoys me. Its not like they ate the apple. Anyway, since I have infinite power, I also have the ability to bless my subjects w/ knowledge, but they would still be sinless. So, basically my society would be modernized like the world is now, but w/ absolutely no crime, b/c people would be peaceful. But, for the record, people still have to die in order to make room for new people, so that will always be a painless process b/c I am a merciful person when it comes to that kind of stuff. And like Imran, I would make everyone into vegitarians. Also, if I were god, there would not only be life on this planet, there would be life on billions of planets, and there would be some really cool reptilian aliens on planets trillions of lightyears away (yeah, I know I'm strange). Everyone, reptilian aliens included, would be allowed into heaven, b/c they would all be perfect and sinless. Yeah, I think that's basically it.[/b]

There no free will.

I would create several worlds with various species. I would observe them, and perhaps use some of them as playgrounds aswell, by causing wars and conflicts and stuff similiar to that. I would also create free will, but through threats make my creations obey me and do things they would not want to do. I would be kind too, by letting them have an afterlife.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Is this a serious question? How logically is it even to create anything at all? Are you bored? Can't be, you are infinitely perfect, right? You could just 'think' about the world, and you would gain the same things as from actual creation.

It is illogical for a prefect god to create anything at all.[/b]

Why would it be illogical? An infinitely powerful god would have it just as easy creating a planet as thinking of it. It is not like it would be of any effort, unless the god wanted it to take efforts of course.

Originally Posted by Faken

There no free will.[/b]

Thou shalt not test the word of god.
And besides, you just add something to her story: ...There is free will.
There you have it.

I thought about this a lot but can't decide what I'd do or why I'd do it. God is outside of time. So what how and why does a God who doesn't change (no time) make stuff? Also he isn't self-centered like us. We'd probably use our power for our own pleasure.

(Sorry for boring answer )

lol i'd just watch this world, its so fucked up yet interesting. The social dynamics are amazing, the class and race dividwe, everything is just a sociologists paradise .

I may somehow quicken the races discovery of faster then light travel and make other worlds for them to find and other races to meet. I'd want to see if they ever became "perfect", as in no discrimination or anything. If they could turn their planet into a true paradise for all.

Originally Posted by Faken

There no free will.[/b]

You be little silly with no no goo' grammar.

Originally Posted by Faken

Why would it be illogical? An infinitely powerful god would have it just as easy creating a planet as thinking of it. It is not like it would be of any effort, unless the god wanted it to take efforts of course.[/b]

No, it wouldn't take effort. So? What is the motivation? Why would a perfect god create anything, that would mean he was unsatisfied, and changed his world by creating something.

Just because the Jews (and later the Christians) made up a god with such increadably weak, human traits doesn't mean it is logical for a real (theoretically) perfect god to have them.

Originally Posted by Faken

There no free will.[/b]

Yes there is. Look, just b/c you are incapable of sinning, doesn't mean you don't have free will. Wouldn't you say that Adam and Eve had free will before God introduced the Tree? If they had free will before that, why wouldn't they have it afterwards?

Originally Posted by Chaos

Yes there is. Look, just b/c you are incapable of sinning, doesn't mean you don't have free will. Wouldn't you say that Adam and Eve had free will before God introduced the Tree? If they had free will before that, why wouldn't they have it afterwards?[/b]

No cause you say people would be peaceful and

incapable of sinning[/b]

your taking out the choice to sin in the first place. Second in your first post i think why did animals suffer too , don't know but why do you think they attack each other or kill each other? tell me that.

Originally Posted by Faken

No cause you say people would be peaceful and your taking out the choice to sin in the first place. Second in your first post i think why did animals suffer too , don't know but why do you think they attack each other or kill each other? tell me that.[/b]

I have a question for you. Do you think animals have free will? Seriously, they were never given the chance to either consume or reject the forbidden apple, so do they have any more free will than people would if the apple had never been introduced? Really, following your logic that neglecting to give Adam and Eve the apple was taking away their free will, its only logical to assume that animals have no free will, isn't it?

As for why animals attack and kill each other, I dont know. Why don't you ask them? If I had created the universe, I would have made it where we could somehow all live here peacefully. I have no idea how I would do this, but if I were God I would know everything and I could do anything, so nothing would be impossible!

Originally Posted by Faken

No cause you say people would be peaceful and your taking out the choice to sin in the first place. Second in your first post i think why did animals suffer too , don't know but why do you think they attack each other or kill each other? tell me that.[/b]

What if god took away some choices, but we can't comprehend them because they don't exist for us (they were taken out of "the universe"). It's like a new colour. Also, why can't we fly? He took out the choice for that and a million other things just like that.

Animals kill eacother for food, territory, for defense... The same thing we do really. I kept hearing excuses for the war on terror when we used to discuss it a lot, for example "They are a threat!", etc.

Originally Posted by Neruo

No, it wouldn't take effort. So? What is the motivation? Why would a perfect god create anything, that would mean he was unsatisfied, and changed his world by creating something.[/b]

I have no insight in a perfect god's thoughts (if it even would have any), and neither have you, so it is really futile trying to answer as it really is beyond comprehension.

I have to point out this is about being infinitely powerful, though. Infinite power does not equal infinite perfection, unless one makes it so.

Most of these responses sound like what it is like in the "Golden Age" or "Satya Yuga". That is: direct knowledge of the spiritual, no suffering, no disease, long life with youthful appearance...

but since manifestation requires the poles of essence and substance for its existence, there will eventually be a decline in consciousness from essence towards substance, and with this comes loss of direct communication (faith then becomes not direct being, but eventually superstition and institional authority), suffering, war, disease, short life...

but manifestation is in time, so that when it reaches the pole of substance (Iron Age, or Kail Yuga) it will cycle back to essence.

We are now in the Kali Yuga, which is marked by loss of spiritual knowledge and therefore belief in only the material world. Most are unable to see past their false selves and believe that the physical self is all that exists. See my post in the Adam/Eve topic for more about how this comes about.

Originally Posted by King

I would create several worlds with various species. I would observe them, and perhaps use some of them as playgrounds aswell, by causing wars and conflicts and stuff similiar to that.[/b]

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't trust you in my house.

Originally Posted by King

I have no insight in a perfect god's thoughts (if it even would have any), and neither have you, so it is really futile trying to answer as it really is beyond comprehension.

I have to point out this is about being infinitely powerful, though. Infinite power does not equal infinite perfection, unless one makes it so.[/b]

If this perfect god would have an element that has certain emotions or something, that would make him weak. Seriously, why is the Christian god Jealous/hateful/anything? That isn't logically, a infinitely powerful god wouldn't be subjected to any of those emotions.

Easy. First, I'd have everything the same, as it is now. The only difference is I will give myself omnipotence, living on earth. Which means I can "recreate" everything from scratch at any point, as well as change anything whenever I want. Is that cheating?

Originally Posted by Neruo

If this perfect god would have an element that has certain emotions or something, that would make him weak. Seriously, why is the Christian god Jealous/hateful/anything? That isn't logically, a infinitely powerful god wouldn't be subjected to any of those emotions.[/b]

You are right Neruo, it makes no sense. People project human emotions onto God and then think that is what God is. As soon as you call God something, It is not that. God cannot be limited by human perception.

I'd tell people to ask me for forgiveness and if they didn't, I'd light them on fire forever. I'd also give them absolutely no reason to even think that I exist. I'd also be pissed if humans didn't waste all fossil fuels by 2050.

Originally Posted by syzygy

You are right Neruo, it makes no sense. People project human emotions onto God and then think that is what God is. As soon as you call God something, It is not that. God cannot be limited by human perception.[/b]

Yeeeeess... we are talking about the hypothetical, omniscient, omnipotent god?

Quite true, by the saw, that people project their emotions and such onto god(s). I heard that the Greek gods used to be 'pure forms' of love or traveling or something, then later on then make them physical and made them have sex and be jealous =) People like to invent characters, like Gods.

Originally Posted by Neruo

That isn't logically, a infinitely powerful god wouldn't be subjected to any of those emotions.[/b]

A infinitely powerful god wouldn't necessarily be perfect. Perfection and power are two separate things.