Creationists - Pull your head out of your a55

[wer]

Seriously. Discuss.

[Michael]

Everything came into existance in like 6 days... DUH.. it's so obvious... pull your head outta your ass!!! j/k.... im trashed.

[Absolute]

Do you mean as in, a Creator not aiding in the birth of existence or simply the mindless 'creation of instant humans sprouting from the ground'?

[Amethyst Star]

Seriously. Discuss. Rude, arrogant, intolerant, lazy, ambiguous, and spiteful. Do you want to discuss/debate creationism versus other views, or just ways of "pulling our heads out"?

[♥Mark]

Rude, arrogant, intolerant, lazy, ambiguous, and spiteful. Do you want to discuss/debate creationism versus other views, or just ways of "pulling our heads out"? Considering the obviousness of how creationism measures against reality, let's go for the number two.

[Xaqaria]

Are you talking about Young Earth Creationism? Because if you aren't, you my friend are the one who needs to pull your head out of your ass. Really you do either way. Can this be moved to senseless banter?

[Bonsay]

I think it all began when humans found out how superior they were to everything else. Then they thought that if they are so smart and awesome, something as smart as awesome, but much more powerful must have made them. They couldn't comprehend that there is something incomprehensible out there. And it hasn't changed...

[Universal Mind]

I would say that this clearly belongs in the Religion forum, except it looks like the initial post is 100% flame incitement and not a serious debate point. I am extremely opinionated with my belief that creationism is false and blatantly contradicts scientific knowledge, but a two short sentences flame post is not going to even begin to illustrate why.

[M-Cat]

Well, since we're already flaming anyway, I might as well say that creationism is bullshit.

[Indecent Exposure]

Universal Mind covered everything there was to say really Personally I think the off topic discussion section of dreamviews has gone down the pan recently, just non stop flaming and sarcasm. I dont enjoy it anymore

[Amethyst Star]

but a two short sentences flame post is not going to even begin to illustrate why. Which two sentences? Mine or yours? What I was referring to is the total lack of regard for the beliefs of others. If I was to say "Gays - Pull your..." (etc.), and followed it by saying, "Seriously. Discuss," I would be met with much the same response. I'm merely using that as an example, for anyone who is offended. I don't "flame", as you so stated. I was making a point that the title of your post does not inspire an intelligent discussion. I understand that you have strong views, but it vexes me when people resort to insults to get their point across.

[Universal Mind]

Which two sentences? Mine or yours? What I was referring to is the total lack of regard for the beliefs of others. If I was to say "Gays - Pull your..." (etc.), and followed it by saying, "Seriously. Discuss," I would be met with much the same response. I'm merely using that as an example, for anyone who is offended. I don't "flame", as you so stated. I was making a point that the title of your post does not inspire an intelligent discussion. I understand that you have strong views, but it vexes me when people resort to insults to get their point across. Woes, what made you think I was talking about you? I was talking about the intial post that got this thread going, and the rest of my post illustrated that. I said that I too disagree with creationism but that I don't think my view could be well argued by a two sentence flame post. You don't disagree with creationism, if I remember correctly, so it would make no sense for me to critique your way of illustrating disagreement with creationism. What I said had nothing to do with you. The two sentences are, "Creationists- pull your head out of your ass... seriously," and, "Discuss." You also overlooked where I said this... it looks like the initial post is 100% flame incitement and not a serious debate point. Also, Wer started this thread. I am not Wer. I am Universal Mind.

[wer]

Rude, arrogant, intolerant, lazy, ambiguous, and spiteful. Do you want to discuss/debate creationism versus other views, or just ways of "pulling our heads out"? Yes it was rude. Yes I was being lazy. And yeah, I was being quite spiteful and intolerant. I have a zero-tolerance policy for bullshit and idiots. It was pretty ambiguous. Sorry about that, I was lazy and pissed. I'm talking about the creationists that believe the Earth was created in 7 days and try as hard as their little brains can manage to disprove the theory of evolution.

[Amethyst Star]

Universal Mind, I am very, very sorry. I didn't double-check to see who created this post. Also, with a combination of PMS and two drinks, I was rather likely to misunderstand what you said. *takes foot out of mouth*

[Universal Mind]

Universal Mind, I am very, very sorry. I didn't double-check to see who created this post. Also, with a combination of PMS and two drinks, I was rather likely to misunderstand what you said. *takes foot out of mouth* No problem. Thanks.

[Oneironaut Zero]

Moved.

[Original Poster]

I have to agree that creationism is one of the most illogical ideas I've ever heard, and the symbols are so freaking obvious a child could interpret the meaning of genesis. These people that think its really are less logically evolved than children as far as I know. I'm very open to evidence of the theory, though.

[nerve]

I agree with you wer, but that's no way to go about it. a lot of christians are stubborn and you being stubborn too will just make it worse. you are just as wrong as they are. the whole problem isn't who believes what, it's the attitudes people have about what they believe that's the problem. we don't fucking know what happened and we can't fucking know, so let's stop pretending we do and have nice, intellectual discussions about it over tea. man that sounds like fun, I do enjoy philosophical conversations. and tea. no really, I'm bitter about christianity too, and more so every day. but keep your angry opinions about it between yourself and others that agree with you. and, when you are sharing your thoughts with a christian, drop the attitude. as soon as you get angry, you are wrong, no matter what you believe.

[Sandform]

So I guess we've moved passed the point of trying to learn why people believe what they believe straight to just flaming them for the belief in the initial post. To the thread starter...haven't you ever heard the expression never argue with an idiot, they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? But I disagree with Paperdoll on the "we can't know" statement...well we can't know in our life times probably, but some day we will figure it out if something doesn't destroy Earth in the meantime.

[♥Mark]

Creating a thread just to flame. For shame.

[Universal Mind]

Only flamers engage in flaming.

[♥Mark]

I'm a tollingflamer with a ba-ttered brain.

[nerve]

But I disagree with Paperdoll on the "we can't know" statement...well we can't know in our life times probably, but some day we will figure it out if something doesn't destroy Earth in the meantime. I don't think we can know something like that until, possibly, after we die. otherwise, new theories will come up, new things will be "proven", and then those "facts" will be disproven and new "facts" will be "proven" and so on.

[blah]

Creationists believe in God, so IF there is a God, then creation is possible in 6 days.

[wer]

I agree with you wer, but that's no way to go about it. a lot of christians are stubborn and you being stubborn too will just make it worse. you are just as wrong as they are. the whole problem isn't who believes what, it's the attitudes people have about what they believe that's the problem. we don't fucking know what happened and we can't fucking know, so let's stop pretending we do and have nice, intellectual discussions about it over tea. man that sounds like fun, I do enjoy philosophical conversations. and tea. no really, I'm bitter about christianity too, and more so every day. but keep your angry opinions about it between yourself and others that agree with you. and, when you are sharing your thoughts with a christian, drop the attitude. as soon as you get angry, you are wrong, no matter what you believe. Your right... I was just pissed and bored. Shouldn't have made a topic about it.