Thread: Dinosaurs

I meant in real lief.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Yeah thats what I figured. <----- You can save that one as well Spartiate.

I've been looking for a nice way to say "c'mon, snap out of it".

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Yeah thats what I figured. <----- You can save that one as well Spartiate.

This post for the "Most Egostistical and Self-Promoting Post" award of the DECADE.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

This post for the "Most Egostistical and Self-Promoting Post" award of the DECADE.

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Someone let me know by PM if ne-yo ever says anything intelligible please.
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Originally Posted by Lord Bennington

Let's recall his last words. "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?". Translation: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?". That's called doubt. Which I'm told is a sin.

Is that from the Gospels? Most film adaptations use the "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit" line.

I'm still waiting for someone in another thread to give me the 'evidence' that Jesus actually existed and 'is more historically identified than Plato'. I think holding my breath for this would be a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Is that from the Gospels? Most film adaptations use the "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit" line.

Originally Posted by net.bible.org

Matthew
27:45 Now from noon until three, darkness came over all the land. 27:46 At about three o’clock Jesus shouted with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 27:47 When some of the bystanders heard it, they said, “This man is calling for Elijah.” 27:48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge, filled it with sour wine, put it on a stick, and gave it to him to drink. 27:49 But the rest said, “Leave him alone! Let’s see if Elijah will come to save him.” 27:50 Then Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and gave up his spirit. 27:51 Just then the temple curtain was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks were split apart. 27:52 And tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had died were raised. 27:53 (They came out of the tombs after his resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.) 27:54 Now when the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and what took place, they were extremely terrified and said, “Truly this one was God’s Son!” 27:55 Many women who had followed Jesus from Galilee and given him support were also there, watching from a distance. 27:56 Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.

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Hmmm. I guess that was creative license on Mel Gibson's part. Interesting.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Hmmm. I guess that was creative license on Mel Gibson's part. Interesting.

Luke
23:44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 23:45 because the sun’s light failed. The temple curtain was torn in two. 23:46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And after he said this he breathed his last.


Mel didn't have to use creative License, the gospels already had.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Mel didn't have to use creative License, the gospels already had.

I wish I'd recorded just how hard I laughed at my screen. Cheers for that haha.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Hmmm. I guess that was creative license on Mel Gibson's part. Interesting.

Did it roll off your mind that there are 4 gospels? And two say I commend into your spirit.. Each of them tell a different side of Jesus. And whether or not Jesus existed does not matter. What matters is whether or not his teachings, and philosophies were invalid. Could you tell me which of Jesus's philosophies you disagree with? By that I mean his ways of life.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Did it roll off your mind that there are 4 gospels? And two say I commend into your spirit.. Each of them tell a different side of Jesus. And whether or not Jesus existed does not matter. What matters is whether or not his teachings, and philosophies were invalid. Could you tell me which of Jesus's philosophies you disagree with? By that I mean his ways of life.

I have watched plenty of documentaries on biblical inaccuracies, but to be honest I haven't read the Bible past Genesis. I've been meaning to get around to it for some time now but my eyes glaze over it like I'm reading Shakespeare. I'm well aware that the four Gospels are riddled with inconsistencies, I just wasn't aware of that specific one.

And I disagree with you that it isn't relevant on whether or not Jesus actually existed. It's VERY relevant because there are 1.5 billion people on this planet who collectively agree that he is the Son of God who died for their (all our) sins. Facts are important to me. False histories are not to be taken lightly. Does it not bother you that nearly a third of the sentient beings on our planet could be taking a complete fabrication as historical fact about a very critical issue?

The Golden Rule (do unto others) is not by any means a trademark Jesus philosophy, it's born of reciprocal altruism and is a fundamental moral sense. Not to mention common sense: the next time you run into that trader you stiffed, he might try to rip you off or try to shank you. This is not conducive to living a long, healthy, stress-free life. People are inherently nice (usually) because at least on a subconscious level they know this.

Why do I stop to let in a car when traffic is bumper to bumper? Because I know that person will be grateful, and I hope that by fostering that attitude in at least one other person every day, they might do it for someone else. And maybe it might even be me. And it makes me feel good to do something nice and completely unexpected for someone else, even if they are a stranger.

Any philosophy that teaches you to be kind to your fellow man, to help those in need, stand up for the down-trodden, be charitable and to lead a good honest life is a great way to structure your life with.

But you can do all that without the lie. Millions of atheists do it every day. There is nothing in that book that makes a believer morally superior to a non-believer.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I've been meaning to get around to it for some time now but my eyes glaze over it like I'm reading Shakespeare.

I love Shakespeare when I'm in the mood. It's much more comprehensible than the bible, and has just as many, if not more, good lessons in morality.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I love Shakespeare when I'm in the mood. It's much more comprehensible than the bible, and has just as many, if not more, good lessons in morality.

If they had just written the thing in Iambic Pentameter we could have all gotten through it a lot easier.

I actually have no problems with Jesus. I will just not accept that he was sinless. Mainly just kidding around with that quote.

A note at the Iambic Pentameter comment: they couldn't have organised that over all the centuries. It's not like there was divine intervention.

Originally Posted by Lord Bennington

I actually have no problems with Jesus. I will just not accept that he was sinless. Mainly just kidding around with that quote.

Yeah,lol, what kind of a sinless man abuses a fig tree because it has no figs for him to eat! Ya aint never gonna get figs if you kill every fig tree that doesn't have fruit on it, probably the wrong time of the year.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

I have yet to meet a Christian who does in fact accept the theory of Evolution.

I'm repeating myself from another thread here.


I have yet to meet a sympathiser even of creationism, even the most religious people I know find it ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I have watched plenty of documentaries on biblical inaccuracies, but to be honest I haven't read the Bible past Genesis. I've been meaning to get around to it for some time now but my eyes glaze over it like I'm reading Shakespeare. I'm well aware that the four Gospels are riddled with inconsistencies, I just wasn't aware of that specific one.

And I disagree with you that it isn't relevant on whether or not Jesus actually existed. It's VERY relevant because there are 1.5 billion people on this planet who collectively agree that he is the Son of God who died for their (all our) sins. Facts are important to me. False histories are not to be taken lightly. Does it not bother you that nearly a third of the sentient beings on our planet could be taking a complete fabrication as historical fact about a very critical issue?

The Golden Rule (do unto others) is not by any means a trademark Jesus philosophy, it's born of reciprocal altruism and is a fundamental moral sense. Not to mention common sense: the next time you run into that trader you stiffed, he might try to rip you off or try to shank you. This is not conducive to living a long, healthy, stress-free life. People are inherently nice (usually) because at least on a subconscious level they know this.

Why do I stop to let in a car when traffic is bumper to bumper? Because I know that person will be grateful, and I hope that by fostering that attitude in at least one other person every day, they might do it for someone else. And maybe it might even be me. And it makes me feel good to do something nice and completely unexpected for someone else, even if they are a stranger.

Any philosophy that teaches you to be kind to your fellow man, to help those in need, stand up for the down-trodden, be charitable and to lead a good honest life is a great way to structure your life with.

But you can do all that without the lie. Millions of atheists do it every day. There is nothing in that book that makes a believer morally superior to a non-believer.

I agree with you that people should know the truth. I as a Chrisitans believe that nothing in the NT has never happened. There is too little factual data. There is no reliable source, and he resembles many god, and heros in mythology, and egypttion theology.

The problem is that Christianity cannot be denounced if for its historical reasons. I really pisses me off that some Christians aren't allowed to see the different side of the story and use logic.

For me Christianity has coincided perfectly for my views of science. Mostly because they have nothing to do with each other. I can see a religious reform in the literal sense of the bible as evidence becomes overwhelming. But conservationist governments surely don't want that.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

I agree with you that people should know the truth. I as a Chrisitans believe that nothing in the NT has never happened. There is too little factual data. There is no reliable source, and he resembles many god, and heros in mythology, and egypttion theology.

The problem is that Christianity cannot be denounced if for its historical reasons. I really pisses me off that some Christians aren't allowed to see the different side of the story and use logic.

For me Christianity has coincided perfectly for my views of science. Mostly because they have nothing to do with each other. I can see a religious reform in the literal sense of the bible as evidence becomes overwhelming. But conservationist governments surely don't want that.

so jesus wasn't ever crucified?

Originally Posted by Omicron

I'm repeating myself from another thread here.


I have yet to meet a sympathiser even of creationism, even the most religious people I know find it ridiculous.

Take a trip to Centeral Florida.

They're everywhere.

Originally Posted by Omicron

so jesus wasn't ever crucified?

Hmm, I researched some primary sources. I came up with these.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../maps/primary/

But most primary sources are from the gospels. I tend not to really care, but you guys can decide.

(Seismosaur, I responded to your Global Warming Post on ED.)

Originally Posted by Omicron

I have yet to meet a sympathiser even of creationism, even the most religious people I know find it ridiculous.

I take it you have never spent much time in the Southeastern United States.

Well it's really an important point, no matter how you slice it.

If Jesus never existed:
- there was no crucifixion
- therefore there was no forgiveness of sin
- therefore there is no conduit to God for Salvation
- therefore either a) we're all going to hell or b) we're dealing with a work of fiction 2000 years in the making (can't wait for the sequel).

Christian apologists often talk about parts of the Bible that can be taken as metaphorical or allegorical - the crucifixion can't be one of those parts. If that is historically inaccurate, the entire house of cards falls down and the gig is up.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I take it you have never spent much time in the Southeastern United States.

No. It's a dying shame.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Well it's really an important point, no matter how you slice it.

If Jesus never existed:
- there was no crucifixion
- therefore there was no forgiveness of sin
- therefore there is no conduit to God for Salvation
- therefore either a) we're all going to hell or b) we're dealing with a work of fiction 2000 years in the making (can't wait for the sequel).

Christian apologists often talk about parts of the Bible that can be taken as metaphorical or allegorical - the crucifixion can't be one of those parts. If that is historically inaccurate, the entire house of cards falls down and the gig is up.

There is really no way to know, alot of history is based on historical documents between cities, and countries, and there are some concerning the crucificion of Christ. The main primary source was the Gospels, as well as the link I posted above.

How can crucifixion not be one of those parts?..
Go and research primary sources of the NT instead of rambling on.