Thread: Dinosaurs

Someone told you wrong.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I personally have yet to met(in real life) a Christian who doesn't accept evolution, so I don't think they're really that few.

Where the hell do you live and how much does it cost to get there?

Australia is a pretty secular country, but I live in the "City of Churches" which is full of bat-shit insane Christians who vary from "evolution is true" to "macro-evolution doesn't exist" to "GAWD created the world 6,000 years ago".

Most of the time they just don't understand what evolution actually is. The rest of the time they are just indoctrinated sheep regurgitating the same old tired creationist spew.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Dinosaurs are a test of faith by god himself. They were never real. God put the bones of the dinosaurs under the dirt for that reason.

Someone actually told me that once.

The next time you get told that, throw this one at them:

Originally Posted by The Bible, King James Version

Titus 1:2

2: In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

God can not lie, therefore God can not plant 'false evidence' to be deceitful to humankind.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Someone told you wrong.

Yea, that was Satan that did that.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Yea, that was Satan that did that.

Satan did what?

Did that.

And what exactly is that?

He planted all of the evidence that tells humans that the earth is more than 6000 years old, and pretty much everything else that contradicts religion.

Including free will, thought and reason, and logic.

Okay, so how exactly did "he" plant the evidence?

Well, oyu see, he didn't.

Because he isn't real therefore isn't part of tangible reality and could not have placed them-- Because he does not exist to do so.

Well if you don't think he did why say he did?

maybe he was like poking fun?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Well if you don't think he did why say he did?

For the same reason I can say that Darth Vader killed Obi Wan without having to actually believe that Obi Wan and Darth Vader are real, and that the GCW really happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, with all the Starships, and people, etc. depicted in the Star Wars films.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Check out the dialogue in this forum...

http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=49768

Make sure you don't have any food or drink in your mouth when you read it.

Christian logic depresses me, honestly I just wish that they could all be tied up in a chair and be made to watch the discovery channel for hours on end, I don't know, it just bugs me for some reason.

I have been interested in dinosaurs since my earliest memorys, and it made the first conflict with christianity in my mind that I could ever remember, because as a kid I'd read this books that explained the age of the earth and fossil records, and the date that man first came on the seen, alittle line way up on the chart millions apon millions of years later, in a much tinier time span, I was like if you christians accept that everything else is true, except for evolution, then that just seems suspicious to me .

I mean they put their children and themselves in the care of science everytime they get sick, everytime they need to go someplace science takes them there. They accept the "theory" of gravity, but critizise evolution for just being a "theory". We have observed evolution, just like we have observed gravity. To deny that fact would be turning your head away from the truth. Hence why it's become increasingly evident to scientists to become atheists.

^ I remember that too, however my dad was catholic and since that church says evolution was ok, he told me those facts were true and didnt conflict with there being a god.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

The next time you get told that, throw this one at them:

God can not lie, therefore God can not plant 'false evidence' to be deceitful to humankind.

Or maybe a brick, although either would do nicely.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

For the same reason I can say that Darth Vader killed Obi Wan without having to actually believe that Obi Wan and Darth Vader are real, and that the GCW really happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, with all the Starships, and people, etc. depicted in the Star Wars films.

For the same reason huh? So what's your reason again, because I missed that part somewhere.

Because it's all make believe

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Because it's all make believe

Okay prove to me that it's make believe since you're so quick to respond on behalf of someone else.

I don't need to read his mind to know that is what he was referring to. He is correlating a story of "Satan planted dinosaur bones to screw with us" with the epic of the Star Wars saga. They are both complete fantasy.

Does this really need to be spelled out or are you trying to be deliberately obtuse?

And the onus is not on me to prove ridiculous claims. That honor falls to the person who is making the ridiculous claim.

I think really if you won't accept evolution as fact, your pretty much stuffed when it comes to explaining a religious view on dinosaurs.

The only thing i can think of, if one believes dinosaurs existed in the garden of eden and on Noah's ark is:

- Noah couldn't fit dinosaurs on his wooden ark, he had to leave them for the good of other animals

- After the fall of Adam and Eve God removed dinosaurs for some unknown reason

- Dinosaurs did simply die out after Noah let them off the ark, after the flood. However it is hard to explain why all types of dinosaur died out.

- Dinosaurs are still around today...., if you wish to selectively choose "dinosaurs" then you could count crocodiles as living dinosaurs if you wanted, since they haven't changed all that much, then again i think small lizards existed along side the dinosaurs to.

i cant think of a more plausible one, although i was just throwing out quick examples, maybe someone could come with a more thought through one.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Does this really need to be spelled out or are you trying to be deliberately obtuse?

And the onus is not on me to prove ridiculous claims. That honor falls to the person who is making the ridiculous claim.

I need to save those two sentences.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I don't need to read his mind to know that is what he was referring to. He is correlating a story of "Satan planted dinosaur bones to screw with us" with the epic of the Star Wars saga. They are both complete fantasy.

Does this really need to be spelled out or are you trying to be deliberately obtuse?

And the onus is not on me to prove ridiculous claims. That honor falls to the person who is making the ridiculous claim.

Yeah thats what I figured. <----- You can save that one as well Spartiate.

Originally Posted by Flinte

Alright thanks. I was just wondering about that because I just don't understand how Christians wouldn't believe in them. Aside from all of the evidence that they did exist, there are discovery specials on dinosaurs all the time. Who doesn't trust the discovery channel? I think if there really is a god it would be the discovery channel.

There are many types of Christians.. I believe science in general (biology, evolution, chemistry, physics, cosmology) But follow the bible as a philosophy, and strive to be more like Jesus (which I hope everyone can agree he's not that bad of a guy?..) Hope that answered your question.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

But follow the bible as a philosophy, and strive to be more like Jesus (which I hope everyone can agree he's not that bad of a guy?..)

Let's recall his last words. "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?". Translation: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?". That's called doubt. Which I'm told is a sin.