Thread: Live to Die, Die to live

It is a lonely enlightenment indeed when you lose touch with your ability to effectively communicate with the rest of us.





Not that that is a bad thing necessarily.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

It is a lonely enlightenment indeed when you lose touch with your ability to effectively communicate with the rest of us.


Not that that is a bad thing necessarily.

One looks outward, one looks inward

Looking out, how can what is within be seen?

Which is lost?

The ones ability to communicate?..

or the ones ability to comprehend?

Outward there is separation, division, isolation

Inward there is unity, oneness, a connectedness of all that is

Where is the true lonliness?

Outward there is only seeing without seeing

Hearing without hearing

Knowing without knowing


Those who are looking, dwelling within

They understand

They know the language

They measure the words by what they see in themselves

^ He's right...

He?

The subject

Words, the object

Writing, the doingness

Right and wrong

Concepts of Subject and Object


Who am I?

What am I?

Subject?

Object?

Or, the doingness that pulls subject and object together?


A window opens

Old concepts fall away

New dimensions to the seeing unveiled

Immersed within the mind

Thoughts, concepts

Entanglement

Like a shadow chasing the sun

Or a dog chasing its tail

From within the mind, such cannot be caught

The whole cannot be grasped

True knowledge lies beyond the mind

Ever, all pervading awareness

Living, Being

See it, Feel it, Be it

Mind is as something worn, put on, taken off

A tool, a means

Nothing more

Nothing less

Drivel.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

A window opens

Old concepts fall away

You shouldn't leave your antiques on the window sill.

Originally Posted by Mark75

You shouldn't leave your antiques on the window sill.

That was pretty good!

Made me LOL

Everybody is Perfect

All is Perfect

All Is for the Greatest Good

All Is evolving

All Is

Be Love

Love Is

Originally Posted by really

Everybody is Perfect

All is Perfect

All Is for the Greatest Good

All Is evolving

All Is

Be Love

Love Is

Now I'm not an expert in poetry but you should definitely leave it to NonDualistic - at least he has some talent.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Now I'm not an expert in poetry but you should definitely leave it to NonDualistic - at least he has some talent.

Truth. ND should mix this shit to a beat and sample some stuff. See how it goes.

Awesome rhymes.

Where is talent?

In the task being done?

Or the love poured out in the doing?


To simply do is not enough

One must BE the love in the doing

What truer reason is there for doing ?


It does not take talent to do anything

It takes love to give rise to talent

Talent is only a word

A judgement


Love lives within

An expression of feeiling

Rising from within

Reaching upward from the most hallowed depths

Expanding in all directions

Enveloping all that is

All that could be

Radiance as light

Searing through the darkest reaches

Illuminating

Warming

Filling

Being

It has no equal

No true opposite

Oneness

Unity

Tranquility

Peace

It is said of It

Those who know, do not speak

Those who speak, do not know

Truly, words cannot tell

Nor through words, can It be found

Stumbling in the darkness

Intellect is blind to It

It is said

Intellect is one of man's greatest powers.

Such is also one of mans greatest hinderances

Lost in the pursuit of knowledge

How will one ever come to rest in knowledge?

When it has come i have ran

Words don't hold - i evaporate without, and these keys join from hands without thought nor participation

Yesterday held places of fear, while today has found nothing and no motion

What comes will, there is no division between found death and motion

There is no finished - no end

I tried to make a serious statement but you would have thought I was being sarcastic, and I realized there was no way to convey my point without irony.

This is an artistic, spiritual exercise. It has more place here than in the Artists' Corner. Art deserves to go where it will be ridiculed anyway, because real art has a responsibility to be conveyed to the closed minded masses.

There, that wasn't sarcastic and didn't seem sarcastic.

Love heals.


The Darkness: what is it?

When we see that the Darkness is us.

How can a person ever be free?

One needs to know that he can change.

By surrendering, living in "OM"

That perfect syllable of syllables.

The true "I AM"

Live in this word and Love will flow into You
Into yourself, liberating You

Freeing you.

breaking the chain of religion

Any comments would be appreciated ^^

I am

but more importantly

am

You can never see the darkness. Darkness is a state of not seeing.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

It is a lonely enlightenment indeed when you lose touch with your ability to effectively communicate with the rest of us.

Agreed. True enlightenment is enlightenment of the entire human race, not just yourself. If you fail to communicate, you fail at enlightment.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Now I'm not an expert in poetry but you should definitely leave it to NonDualistic - at least he has some talent.

This is not a competition, it is cooperation. I invite you.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I am

but more importantly

am

I

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Agreed. True enlightenment is enlightenment of the entire human race, not just yourself. If you fail to communicate, you fail at enlightment.

There is no failing. True enlightenment is Enlightenment (however an Enlightened one does influence the collective consciousness of mankind on its own). Nothing needs to be changed if everything is already Perfect.

If you can't fail at enlightenment, everyone would be enlightened. Which is not the case. Maybe you could say everyone is enlightened, but only to a certain degree. Also, it might be possible, that humans have the possibility to reach higher and higher degrees of enlightenment, ad infinitum. Meaning, there is no limit to our potential, there is no way you can reach full enlightemnent. If you did, you would be God.

But in order to reach an awareness as high as possible, you need to make everyone around you aware too! It's pointless to be aware alone, if the rest isn't... it would be like living between monkeys... nobody would understand you.

There is definatly failing if you don't take other people into account. Because thats all there is really, other people. Each of us has a different perspective on the world, and each of use will reveal different truths about the world. The absolute truth is the sum of all relative truths. Each single person is your teacher imo.

Nothing needs to be changed if everything is already Perfect.

Whats the point of living then?

I am the One within the many

The Doingness of that which is done

The Action within the act

Beyond the individual, yet through the individual

I see through their sight

Hear through their hearing

Taste through their tasting

Smell through their smelling

Touch through their touching

Feel through their feeling

Subtly there, I go unnoticed, party to everything everywhere


Through these, I recognize mySelf

Ascending the spiral staircase

Little by little, one step at a time

I gradually awaken to My own nature

Shifting the ground of My perception higher and higher

Losing dichotomy, gaining Oneness


Perception is born in blindness

It grows into its sight

"I" becomes inclusive of all things

I am so much more than me

The enclaves of my unconscious

The hidden potential beneath the moment

Is endless

I tie things to me

My habits, my friends, my history

My knowledge, my beliefs, my universe

A rope with many knots

Trailing outward through space and backwards through time

It ends when I forget

The rope eventually dangles into the mist

There are no more knots, nothing more I tie to myself

At least nothing I remember

But beneath the surface of the face I play right now

The rope does not end

I let go of what I associate with me, and the rope drifts freely

But I am still tied to it, my essence is bonded

And as I untie all these knots

I realize they are not me

The rope dangles over infinity

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

If you can't fail at enlightenment, everyone would be enlightened. Which is not the case.

Everyone is existing through the Absolute Love of God. Technically, we have forgotten ourselves; we have been living under the illusions for survival. There is no failure of God, the Perfect. However, while one has an ego, there appears to be winning and losings; failings and winnings, and dualities of endless kinds.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Maybe you could say everyone is enlightened, but only to a certain degree.

Everybody is their own individual expression of consciousness, which could be said to be closer to, or further from Enlightened Consciousness. (For example, those who commit suicide are basically unconscious to everything). But Enlightenment is a state of Revelation, it is one thing only, not able to be fractured; that is what makes it a Spiritual Goal.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Also, it might be possible, that humans have the possibility to reach higher and higher degrees of enlightenment, ad infinitum. Meaning, there is no limit to our potential, there is no way you can reach full enlightemnent. If you did, you would be God.

There are degrees of Enlightenment, for example, few enlightened ones may lose all function of their body, disappear/move into remote quite locations until death, or even starve to death. Jesus however literally had the highest consciousness (Buddha too) possible while living through the human body; he Taught effortlessly; had great control; survived and sacrificed.

Like I said before, Enlightenement is only one thing: The Complete Revelation of God the Self (becoming one with God, without ignorance). To go beyond the "threshold" of Enlightenment, the Spirit goes to other realms; infinitely (that said, the states would no longer be termed "Enlightenment"). [That's how I understand it so far; I have much to learn.]

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

But in order to reach an awareness as high as possible, you need to make everyone around you aware too! It's pointless to be aware alone, if the rest isn't...

Not at all; every advance in Consciousness affects all others collectively, as I said above. Profound states have great influences on mankind. Consider the impact of great Spiritual Masters such as Jesus and Buddha alone, then consider the long enduing effect/conditioning of their religions (Both their teachings refer to the same God/Enlightenment).

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

it would be like living between monkeys... nobody would understand you.

This is true, because it is difficult to interpret let alone communicate, at all. The presence of an enlightened Teacher helps one greatly along the path. However, whether someone understands the Teacher/teachings is dependent on Karma.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

There is definatly failing if you don't take other people into account.

If everything in existence is already connected, nothing has that choice.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Because thats all there is really, other people. Each of us has a different perspective on the world, and each of use will reveal different truths about the world. The absolute truth is the sum of all relative truths. Each single person is your teacher imo.

That depends on different contexts. Seeing murder on a film may develop appreciation for life, or inspiration for revenge depending on who you are. The Absolute Truth determines the relative, but the relative does not determine the Absolute. The Absolute Truth is none of the relative truths.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Whats the point of living then?

You'll Know when you reveal your Self as Absolute Peace; then, no questions need to be asked (All Is Known).