Thread: "GOD EXISTS, ATHEISTS!!! I'll prove it SCIENTIFICALLY!!"

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

how does it condone? God even sent slaves to people, if he condoned it he wouldn't send them

Do you know what "condone" means?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Do you know what "condone" means?

Me thinks he needs a dictionary

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Do you know what "condone" means?

yeah my bad i'm not paying half attention to anything right now


we already agreed the bible condoned it because god sent slaves to people

"Where are we in this conversation? The Bible condones slavery and permits killing them as long as it takes them more than two days to die from a beating. You responded to that by saying God says to be "kind" to slaves, and now you are trying to make it sound like God says to be impressed the the skills of your slaves. What does that have to do with anything?"

i know what i said about being kind, he said respectful though, and you can respect a slave but not be kind to him

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Atheists, please stop making claims without support or scientific evidence. Also, please stop asking questions which were already answered in this video. EX. "Who created God?" Again, the 1st law confirms energy is eternal. Before the universe began, there must have existed an ORIGINAL, initial, energy source which has ALWAYS existed. This initial, original, energy source IS God. ( GOD IS THE CREATOR WHO IS UNCREATED)

Atheists may say " Well, all of the energy in the universe could have derived itself from multiple energy sources, not just a single one".That maybe true, but it still poses a serious problem. Multiple or single unintelligent energy source(s) would most likely result in chaos and disorder.

(cont) Because they can't regulate their outflow of energy thus, dispersing uncontrolled and violent emissions of energy without organization or order unlike an intelligent energy source (GOD).

Every example of DUMB energy source(s) that we can observe are volatile and destructive by nature and will NEVER create organization . Examples : the sun, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes. Sure tornadoes or hurricanes may APPEAR organized but, they will never CREATE organization.

You can still hope that all of the energy in the universe originated from an unconscious, dumb, energy source or multiple ones, but it defies common sense and reasoning. We can clearly observe complexity, design, and order throughout the universe. The possibility of a single all powerful, intelligent, energy source (God) still remains ( This is more logical).

Atheists may also say " Well, based on the 2nd law of thermodynamics God may eventually disorganize and deteriorate overtime if he is composed of energy". God is composed of energy but not entirely energy. The God I serve is composed of INFINITE INTELLIGENCE as well.

(cont.) He can certainly be intelligent enough to break the boundaries of the 2nd law and find a way to harness his energy infinitely and NEVER result in disorder. If you can't agree with this explanation, you're putting limits on God which is simply IDIOTIC.

I hope that this is a joke. If it is not: God help the world.



[irony intended before you get started]

Originally Posted by Poison Apple

I hope that this is a joke. If it is not: God help the world.

[irony intended before you get started]

Pray to Longcat... or Joe Pesci.

what if it isn't a joke?

god could be real, he could not be real.

there's not much joking, no one knows exactly what made everything

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

know what i said about being kind, he said respectful though, and you can respect a slave but not be kind to him

If you are talking about being impressed with slave skills again, then yeah. But so what? You cannot own a slave and respect his humanity.

If one was truly impressed with the slave's skills...one might actually pay the slave for doing so well...which of course would mean that the "slave" actually isn't a slave.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

If one was truly impressed with the slave's skills...one might actually pay the slave for doing so well...which of course would mean that the "slave" actually isn't a slave.

in an essence they were paid, with food/clothing/shelter

Food, clothing, and shelter can't be saved up like currency can, and be traded for better food, better clothing, and better shelter. No matter how respectable a slave's skills may be, he/she is forever stuck in that social standing.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Food, clothing, and shelter can't be saved up like currency can, and be traded for better food, better clothing, and better shelter. No matter how respectable a slave's skills may be, he/she is forever stuck in that social standing.

they don't have to be stuck, most of the time it was like one master with no telling how many slaves, the slaves could of easily just killed the master and took over, they weren't stuck in the social standing

They have to resort to murder to free themselves...

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

They have to resort to murder to free themselves...

and? that's what ended up ending slavery, murder

It's too bad slavery existed in the first place for that to happen.

well.. stuff happens, it is bad slavery existed, but there's worse things that's happened than slavery

Slaves probably don't have to murder their master for freedom if their master respects them.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Slaves probably don't have to murder their master for freedom if their master respects them.

just because a master could respect a slave doesn't mean he'd have to free him

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If you are talking about being impressed with slave skills again, then yeah. But so what? You cannot own a slave and respect his humanity.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

If one was truly impressed with the slave's skills...one might actually pay the slave for doing so well...which of course would mean that the "slave" actually isn't a slave.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

just because a master could respect a slave doesn't mean he'd have to free him

All this seems to have gone in a circle


Why not hire the slave?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

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All this seems to have gone in a circle


Why not hire the slave?

if you're hired for something you get something in exchange for your services, in exchange for the slave working the slave got food/clothing/shelter

also, trying to say if a master had respect for a slave he would of have set him free is like me saying if my boss respects me he'll give me a raise when i ask for it

if you're hired for something you get something in exchange for your services, in exchange for the slave working the slave got food/clothing/shelter

Ok, why not pay the slave actual money?

also, trying to say if a master had respect for a slave he would of have set him free is like me saying if my boss respects me he'll give me a raise when i ask for it

The boss will at least hear you out...if your skills merit it you will get the raise (from a decent boss of course)

There's much difference between a slave working for a master and a paid worker who actually has a chance for a raise.

Worker paid with money I mean.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Ok, why not pay the slave actual money?

back then what would the slave use that money for? food/clothing/shelter

nistuJ, let's do a recap. What is your point?