Thread: "GOD EXISTS, ATHEISTS!!! I'll prove it SCIENTIFICALLY!!"

my idea of the bible is that divine revelation is progressive, and is never complete until the entire human ego is shed away

revelation works with what is the current ego problem, what is the next thing to challenge it - to make it look at its own dualism. you can not say to the ego what it is not able to hear, so you have to stoop down a little to its level.

what happens when people feel they need to be kind, respectful, even loving to their slaves? their views that slaves are second class people are challenged. how can you love and be kind to a slave if you are enslaving them?

it is said that the free greeks did become concerned over slavery - feeling it was wrong. and the greeks were known for being kind to slaves *not all*

revelation however is as progressive as its writer or its prophet. the Word speaks through people, and if no one around is daring to say slavery is wrong - then it never will be.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

there's a passage in the bible where god says treat slaves with respect, it's not an arguement it's a fact

What about it? I know you understand the question.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What about it? I know you understand the question.

"Why did you argue that the Bible says to treat slaves with respect? What about it? (not that I agree with you)"


the bible does say treat them with respect, what do you mean what about it?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

I respect you but that doesn't mean I have to refrain from punching you in the face.

...

I just punch you, out of the blue, nor warnign or anything. And after that I don't stop. You can't even really call that a true fight.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

"Why did you argue that the Bible says to treat slaves with respect? What about it? (not that I agree with you)"


the bible does say treat them with respect, what do you mean what about it?

Why did you argue the point?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

I just punch you, out of the blue, nor warnign or anything. And after that I don't stop. You can't even really call that a true fight.

ok, what does a true fight have to do with having respect?

why did i argue the point of god saying to treat slaves with respect? you questioned it

Ok, forget "true fight"

This was about whether having respect for someone puts restraints on you right?

Ok...does a person, say, rape and murder, someone they respect?

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

why did i argue the point of god saying to treat slaves with respect? you questioned it

No, that is not true. Nobody asked if the Bible ever says to treat slaves with respect. We started talking about how the Bible condones slavery. You jumped to the defense of the Bible's condoning of slavery. I am trying to understand why you did that. You are being very dodgy about it.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Ok, forget "true fight"

This was about whether having respect for someone puts restraints on you right?

Ok...does a person, say, rape and murder, someone they respect?

no. but how do you know all slave masters were cruel? all you ever hear of are slave masters being cruel there could be one that's actually nice to the slaves, i'll go ahead and say this so universal mind doesn't bring it up for the billionth time, you're inherently unkind to the slave for owning him since he has no freedom, but you can still be respectful to a slave in some aspects

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, that is not true. Nobody asked if the Bible ever says to treat slaves with respect. We started talking about how the Bible condones slavery. You jumped to the defense of the Bible's condoning of slavery. I am trying to understand why you did that. You are being very dodgy about it.

if the bible condones pure stereotypical slavery then why does it say respect the slave?

by stereotypical i mean the white supremacist whip brandishing male thinking everyone is subhuman, the bible doesn't say the masters were like that

everyone thinks slavery back in the biblical days is like the slavery of the 1700/1800s, how do they know it was?

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

no.

So this isn't true then?

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

because respect doesn't demand you do things.

It seems respect demands refraining from raping and killing.

And I was not alluding to actions by cruel slave masters, I know not all of them were cruel.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

So this isn't true then?



It seems respect demands refraining from raping and killing.

you people take things way too literal

we were talking about having to be kind to a slave

let's look at it in another view point

you can respect a person, but you don't have to be kind to them

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

you people take things way too literal

we were talking about having to be kind to a slave

let's look at it in another view point

you can respect a person, but you don't have to be kind to them

Oh I thought we were talking about respect.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Oh I thought we were talking about respect.

we are but we're not talking about raping and killing slaves.

we were talking about being kind to a slave, you don't have to be kind and respectful at the same time, you can have respect and not be kind

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

we are but we're not talking about raping and killing slaves.

Neither was I, I was using just the act of raping and killing (slaves or otherwise) as an example to prove that respect does demand certain things of you...after you said it doesn't demand anything.

Probably you aren't going to always be kind to someone you respect...humans aren't angels after all...but I would think you wouldn't condemn someone you respect to such an undignified situation as slavery.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Neither was I, I was using just the act of raping and killing (slaves or otherwise) as an example to prove that respect does demand certain things of you...after you said it doesn't demand anything.

Probably you aren't going to always be kind to someone you respect...humans aren't angels after all...but I would think you wouldn't condemn someone you respect to such an undignified situation as slavery.

i said it "doesn't demand you do things"

you could take that of two ways, either i mean ANYTHING, or i meant a few things


if i meant anything i would of said anything, i don't phrase and word stuff right sometimes, that's bad on my part



edit: also.. perhaps they don't respect them before they're slaves? they could start to respect after they've been succumbed to slavery

oh, then say "doesn't demand you do a few things"

What few things exactly?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

oh, then say "doesn't demand you do a few things"

What few things exactly?

be kind

basically that's all i want it to mean since that's what i was trying to make a point about

Ok then.

Not owning a person as a slave isn't necessarily an act of kindness though...it's respecting that person's dignity...that's what I'm trying to make a point about. I never knew we were talking about kindness

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Ok then.

Not owning a person as a slave isn't necessarily an act of kindness though...it's respecting that person's dignity...that's what I'm trying to make a point about. I never knew we were talking about kindness

well that's what the original argument was about (being able to have respect but not have to be kind at the same time), they may not respect the slaves humanity but that's not the only thing you can respect in a slave, and the bible doesn't say what you have to respect

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

if the bible condones pure stereotypical slavery then why does it say respect the slave?

by stereotypical i mean the white supremacist whip brandishing male thinking everyone is subhuman, the bible doesn't say the masters were like that

everyone thinks slavery back in the biblical days is like the slavery of the 1700/1800s, how do they know it was?

You are going off on a lot of strange tangents in your quest to dodge my question. If we were playing charades, I would guess that you are doing an imitation of a troll.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You are going off on a lot of strange tangents in your quest to dodge my question. If we were playing charades, I would guess that you are doing an imitation of a troll.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

if the bible condones pure stereotypical slavery then why does it say respect the slave?

by stereotypical i mean the white supremacist whip brandishing male thinking everyone is subhuman, the bible doesn't say the masters were like that

everyone thinks slavery back in the biblical days is like the slavery of the 1700/1800s, how do they know it was?

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Slavery is slavery dude