Thread: "GOD EXISTS, ATHEISTS!!! I'll prove it SCIENTIFICALLY!!"

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

back then what would the slave use that money for? food/clothing/shelter

There are different degrees of quality of food/clothing/shelter...there's a difference between just barely living and living it up.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

nistuJ, let's do a recap. What is your point?

Probably a good idea

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

there's no need for a recap, she's asking the questions i'm replying

Yes, there is a need for a recap. I too have been talking to you about how the Bible condones slavery, and I don't think we have made much progress. Let's make things a little clearer. What is it you are trying to say about the Bible and slavery? What exactly is your point?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

There are different degrees of quality of food/clothing/shelter...there's a difference between just barely living and living it up.



Probably a good idea

oh really? what was the quality of clothing back then? they didn't have walmart, american eagle, aeropostale, polo, banana republic, and hot topic back then so there wasn't much quality for clothes

as for shelters, if a slave was paid they wouldn't make enough to get a shelter

and for food, it was basically a few animals and whatever you grew in a crop, it wasn't mcdonalds, o'charleys type stuff

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Yes, there is a need for a recap. I too have been talking to you about how the Bible condones slavery, and I don't think we have made much progress. Let's make things a little clearer. What is it you are trying to say about the Bible and slavery? What exactly is your point?

i'm talking about slavery in general, we're not discussing the bible and slavery both

we've already agreed the bible states it was ok for slavery, what? like 9 million times now?

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

oh really? what was the quality of clothing back then? they didn't have walmart, american eagle, aeropostale, polo, banana republic, and hot topic back then so there wasn't much quality for clothes
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and for food, it was basically a few animals and whatever you grew in a crop, it wasn't mcdonalds, o'charleys type stuff

um...ok...there was still good quality stuff out there though...maybe not brand name but still...

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

um...ok...there was still good quality stuff out there though...maybe not brand name but still...

like what? all clothes were basically made of wool back then, your food was either going to be sheep, lamb, cattle, birds, venison perhaps, and maybe some other form of meat and whatever vegetables they grew

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

like what? all clothes were basically made of wool back then

All? No one wore silk or anything?

your food was either going to be sheep, lamb, cattle, birds, venison perhaps, and maybe some other form of meat and whatever vegetables they grew

With or without, oh, for example, good spices, depending on your social standing.

And then of course there's the fact that either you're only having a little bit of meat and vegetables everyday or a lot everyday or in between.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

All? No one wore silk or anything?



With or without, oh, for example, good spices, depending on your social standing.

And then of course there's the fact that either you're only having a little bit of meat and vegetables everyday or a lot everyday or in between.

"basically"

even still back to what i said earlier if a slave did get paid it wouldn't be enough to get any of those things, so what would be the point?

A paid-with-money worker at least has a chance of someday rising through the ranks...or at least his posterity could rise...a slave is stuck.

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

A paid-with-money worker at least has a chance of someday rising through the ranks...or at least his posterity could rise...a slave is stuck.

a slave isn't stuck, they could either kill the master or attempt to escape, slaves did escape at times, for a slave to be stuck the master would have to like imprison them somehow and make sure they're imprisoned at all times

Which brings us back to

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

they don't have to be stuck, most of the time it was like one master with no telling how many slaves, the slaves could of easily just killed the master and took over, they weren't stuck in the social standing

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Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Slaves probably don't have to murder their master for freedom if their master respects them.

"just because the master respects" etc etc...

Why is the master, who has such respect for his slaves, not allowing his slaves to make use of their respectable skills and attempt to "get a raise" so to speak?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Which brings us back to


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"just because the master respects" etc etc...

Why is the master, who has such respect for his slaves, not allowing his slaves to make use of their respectable skills and attempt to "get a raise" so to speak?

because respect doesn't demand you do things.

you don't have to do something just because you respect something

I respect you but that doesn't mean I have to refrain from punching you in the face.

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

i'm talking about slavery in general, we're not discussing the bible and slavery both

we've already agreed the bible states it was ok for slavery, what? like 9 million times now?

We started talking about slavery in general after you took up for the Bible's condoning of slavery and said God tells Christians to be kind to their slaves. So this subtopic is still part of the bigger topic, which is whether the Bible is a screwed up book for condoning slavery. You argued a bunch of stuff about how God wants slaves to be treated with kindness and various defintions of respect. What about it? Are you okay with the Bible's condoning of slavery? Also, at this point in the conversation, do you think it is possible to simultaneously treat a slave with respect for his humanity and make that person have to remain your slave?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

I respect you but that doesn't mean I have to refrain from punching you in the face.

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correct.

Really? So if I beat you up and later told you I have respect for you, you'd believe that?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

We started talking about slavery in general after you took up for the Bible's condoning of slavery and said God tells Christians to be kind to their slaves. So this subtopic is still part of the bigger topic, which is whether the Bible is a screwed up book for condoning slavery. You argued a bunch of stuff about how God wants slaves to be treated with kindness and various defintions of respect. What about it? Are you okay with the Bible's condoning of slavery? Also, at this point in the conversation, do you think it is possible to simultaneously treat a slave with respect for his humanity and make that person have to remain your slave?

not respecting his humanity but the bible doesn't say respect the slaves humanity so you can't say that.

i don't condone slavery, i don't even read the bible the only thing i've ever read in the bible is the new testament's revelation so to even try and say i condone anything from the bible wouldn't even have effect

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Really? So if I beat you up and later told you I have respect for you, you'd believe that?

if you were being truthful, yes.

you can have respect for people after fights.

Not a fight, I don't even give you a chance to fight back, I just keep beating you down over and over, don't even give you a chance to rise up.

Do you really believe I have respect for you if I treat you as such?

Originally Posted by Kael Seoras

Not a fight, I don't even give you a chance to fight back, I just keep beating you down over and over, don't even give you a chance to rise up.

Do you really believe I have respect for you if I treat you as such?

you could.

you could not.

just depends, would you?

by the way, if you never gave a person the chance to rise up that would mean you'd have to kill them.

Well, I don't know about others, but personally, if I had respect for you, should we get to the point of fighting I would at least give you a chance to fight back.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

not respecting his humanity but the bible doesn't say respect the slaves humanity so you can't say that.

i don't condone slavery, i don't even read the bible the only thing i've ever read in the bible is the new testament's revelation so to even try and say i condone anything from the bible wouldn't even have effect

Why did you argue that the Bible says to treat slaves with respect? What about it? (not that I agree with you)

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Why did you argue that the Bible says to treat slaves with respect? What about it? (not that I agree with you)

there's a passage in the bible where god says treat slaves with respect, it's not an arguement it's a fact


just because the bible says do something doesn't mean the christian is going to do it, the bible says don't commit adultery, does that happen? no, the bible says do not kill, does that happen? no