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      Baha'i: The Best Faith You Aren't a Member of

      In the interests of getting some non Atheist-Christian arguments going here. I thought I would start a thread explaining a different monotheistic faith. In the interests of showing why there are positive faiths out there that have to be tackled differently to Christianity.

      Baha'i is good. It is at present the world's fastest growing religion, with six million believers spread over two hundred countries.

      As I understand it, the religion is founded on the belief in progressive revelation. God did not finish his revelations with Judaism, he sent Jesus. This was also not the end, he then sent Mohammed. But this too was not the end. He then sent the Baha'u'llah to Persia. He declared that he was a messenger of God in 1863. There have also been many other prophets, because humanity wants to know and guide humanity.

      Baha'i is based on three interlocking unities. There is the oneness of God, the oneness of his prophets through progressive revelation and the oneness of humanity. For this reason Baha'is believe in gender equality, a peaceful united humanity and that their faith must remain unified.

      This leads to another unity, science and religion are both tools of Human understanding. Science alone leads to materialism, a tendency to understand the world by taking it apart, however religion must allow for obeidience to doctor's instructions and must take on ideas proven by science. Its just that things that can never be disproven by science are the domain of faith. This, at least is how I understand it, and it seems to make sense.

      If you are a theist, conversion to Baha'i gives you a religion that accepts science and the rational search for truth, along with equality, unity and peace. The idea of world peace seems to be absent from the other major monotheistic faiths, with their belief in one revelation and hell for non-believers.

      To an atheist, there can be no evidence for God. But Baha'i seems to leave room for rational, peaceful living. The only problems being its definition of homosexuality, gambling and alcohol as wrong. But the faith believes that membership to political parties is bad for unity, thus they are unlikely to force any of these views onto you.

      Baha'i believes that you have a rational soul, thus, as I understand it, the ability to come to follow God based on the study of the words of His prophets. While there can be no direct proof of God, the evidence can point in favour of it.

      The faith is young, but those who believe it have already suffered terrible persecution and stayed strong to their beliefs. I mean, Baha'i comes from fucking Iran. There is, I believe a good enough reason to look into it and see if it points to God; whether you believe in God or not.
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      I've never heard of baha'i?? but I've always felt revelation was progressive. even Jesus himself seemed to say so

      my real question is, how progressive is baha'i? I mean, is there a church involved, initiations? Is God masculine or feminine or both or neither?

      btw, didn't Mohammed come before Jesus?

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      Mohammed was about six hundred years after Jesus. In fact, as I understand it Islamic eschatology involves the second coming of Christ!

      I see the idea of progressive revelation. I notice that it gives the Baha'i the unique position among monotheistic faiths of not thinking they know all the answers. As I understand it Baha'is do expect a further revelation from God when Humanity is more developed. But that probably won't be for another two thousand years.

      One of the early members of the faith was a woman called Tahririh who is now often held up by Baha'is as an example for women. She was martyred in 1852 and her last worlds were "You can kill me as soon as you like, but you cannot stop the emancipation of women."

      Baha'i is open to equality. In fact equality of man and woman is also held up as one of the most important things to come of this revelation from God.

      The Universal House of Justice is the supreme giverning body of the Baha'i faith, it is democratic. Though I notice that to be a member you need to be an adult male. This organisation was founded after the death of the... third (I think) head of the faith's death. So I am willing to wager this is a result of human prejudice rather than divine revelation.

      The Baha'is believe that God is manifested in all faiths and that Gods true form is beyond understanding. As there are religions with female Gods itwould make sense to me for Baha'is to at least believe that God has what might be called feminine qualities. Though this is a guess.

      I've never heard of any initiations, though a daily prayer is expected to be performed by every Baha'i over the age of 15. These prayers vary in length and many are very beautiful.

      Premarital sex is frowned upon. As is alcohol and homosexuality. Although homosexuality is only prohibited due to a verse in the Kitab-i-Aqdas (the central book of laws, one of a few holy texts) that arguably only prohibits pederastry. Although this is seems to be a translation issue.
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