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    • Atheist

      6 50.00%
    • New-Age

      4 33.33%
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      2 16.67%
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      How do you fit in? (read before voting)

      I making this thread because I've noticed there are generally 2 types of responses or in reality one single argument taking place in R/S recreated between different people in different threads with different themes, etc. This argument is on the nature of truth, if truth exists and if it is ever possible to be right. There is a divide in DV when it comes to which side of the spectrum you are on, the side of those who are right, or those who are even more right. I want to see which side of this division has more people, I don't mean to fit people into categories, this is just a means to see how the two sides balance out. I also included the third minority of DV even though they aren't really apart of the argument.

      The terms in the poll options are not politically correct nor accurate, I understand, so here's an explanation of what I mean so everyone knows where they fit. These are not dictionary definitions, these are definitions I accumulated by observing people that would label themselves this or are labeled by others in this way. My descriptions may also be inaccurate from individual to individual, but as this is more about the nature of truth, use the descriptions more as a tool to help you figure out where you stand on this argument (the nature of truth) rather than some misguided attempt to fit your beliefs in with similar minded people.

      Atheist
      Alternate Labels: Agnostic (certain individuals), LeVayist, Scientist, Skeptic, Pragmatist, Existentialist

      Only evidence produced in controlled experiments or case studies accredited by scholarly publishers and such have any value. Everything can be explained by natural laws. Essentially, the Occam's Razor attitude, if life can exist without a bunch of esoteric concepts, then those esoteric concepts probably do not exist. While the mind interprets and reforms everything we see, reality still exists as an objective concept that predates human experience. Essentially, while an atheist's beliefs are subject to change with new evidence and information, they'll only be chaged after sufficient testing and verification. Most of what an atheist believes is based on the conclusions of the Scientific Community.

      New-Age
      Alternate Labels: Eastern Spiritualist, Buddhist, Pagan, Lightworker, Free-associater, Non-dualist, Don't label me you cunt

      The experiencer creates his experience; the whole universe is alive; all living and non living entities are connected under one consciousness. A new age spiritualist looks at evidence from many, many sources. Criticism and verification vary between individuals, some believe in nothing until there are at least 5 unrelated witnesses, etc... but most see the universe synchronistically, like constant communication going on between the experiencer and their experiences, and therefore don't feel they need to verify anything nor believe anything, just let the information flow. They also see the universe in a perpetual state of change where everything exists as a community project and natural laws only exist as long as the collective consciousness continues to legitimize them. This is where the line between true and false becomes fluid, where people don't HAVE to be right.

      Ideologue
      Alternate Labels: Christian, Jew, Muslim, Catholic, Mormon, Jahova's Witness, Scientologist, Evangelical

      If you call yourself a Christian, Catholic or anything and don't consider yourself a black sheep of one of these religions, you probably fit in this category. An ideologue is somebody that believes what they were taught rather than feeding it into their logic and seeing if it still has value like an atheist or seeing the vastness of possibilities like a new-agist. I don't mean to insult this group, an ideologue can be intelligent, it's just people's individual life styles. If one never had a reason to doubt what they were taught, then why not? While most of the world fits into this category, I suspect this will make up the smallest portion of DV

      Also take note people will see what you voted for.
      Last edited by Omnis Dei; 09-27-2008 at 09:01 PM.

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      I agree with you that there is only one type of argument in r/s these days but it typically manifests itself as different ways atheists can word it to try to make their point of view sound more credible without any real content, like you have done here.

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      What if we weren't taught anything? What would Deism fall under?

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      That depends, why are you a deist?

      Xaq, there is no argument here, I'm just collecting a statistic.

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      I don't believe God interacts with the world at all.

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      Well it really depends on how you view esoteric concepts that can't be scientifically proven. Take God, I assume the logical basis you followed is that the universe shows nothing but contrary evidence to the idea that an all loving, benevolent entity watches over us, however in its design the universe requires some sort of clock maker.

      I consider this new age because atheists have thrown out the clock maker altogether, and besides, seeing as how this is how I looked at things not so long ago, I'm sure you'll develop more open policies about the nature of truth as you continue to research.

      I really hate this thread now because it wasn't my intention to put people in a box, I'm just trying to learn how people approach information, do you approach it the ideological way, which is knowing certain things out of faith and plugging all new information into an old model; do you approach things with occam's razor, as in if there's a simple, scientific explanation for something, then believe in that, or do you approach things fluidly, understanding that the only truth you have is your own truth, that truth is not something concrete but something unique to each individual?
      Last edited by Omnis Dei; 09-27-2008 at 10:17 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnius Deus View Post
      That depends, why are you a deist?

      Xaq, there is no argument here, I'm just collecting a statistic.
      A statistic on what? Who wants to be pigeon holed by your biased survey?

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      I don't really see myself as "new age", but don't label me you cunt is pretty accurate.
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      I'm more atheist-agnostic.. But that doesn't really come through on that result..

      I would prefer to be just skeptic..

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      A statistic on what? Who wants to be pigeon holed by your biased survey?
      I can't help a bias, I am biased, I didn't want to be or try to be. This is my take on the temper of what people are talking about in R/S, not what the threads are about but just what people are arguing about. It's split between arguments of proof, and it seems to either be faith in a doctrine, which I labeled ideologue as an umbrella term; needing all ideas to withstand the burden of scientific proof in order to even be bothered with in the first place or free associating with ideas.

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      I think you might be overgeneralizing in a way. Of course it would be impossible not to with just three choices. You can be an atheist and still create your own experiences. Atheists can stil have a very heightedned sence spirituiality ect.

      But, I guess of course I would identfiy with the atheist category.

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      Quote Originally Posted by stonedape View Post
      I don't really see myself as "new age", but don't label me you cunt is pretty accurate.
      Same. I don't really fit into any of them. But I don't want to be labeled, cunt, so New Age it is.

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      When people think about themselves as an individual and not compared to others, they don't fit on a polarized poll, because and individual can play on all the keys of the spectrum.

      Because of that, this poll is BS and I'm closing it. When people argue, a subtle difference in which side of the spectrum they prefer to work in becomes accentuated but does not classify them as an individual.

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