Thread: Vote yes on Prop 8

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Of course the whole thing boils down to "Judeo Christian" values and bigotry. You know what I want to know? What the hell did that guy do to get arrested? I mean seriously, you don't get arrested for just going in a school and having a calm discussion. What sucks is this prop will probably pass. Another win for bigotry.

NO!!

VOTE NO ON PROP 8!!

Not "yes"!!

Who says it was a calm discussion? Him? Even if it was, if he was asked to leave the property say and didn't comply, there is just reason for his arrest.

This video is bull. There are so many logical fallacies it's not even funny. I got sick of hearing the sad music, soft voices and gentle sobbing in the background, trying to evoke nothing but an emotional or "sympathetic" response to the family.

How much of what was actually said in that video is true? What is and isn't out right fabrications and complete spin? The video is pathetic.

Originally Posted by mini0991

NO!!

VOTE NO ON PROP 8!!

Not "yes"!!

I was referring to the point of the video not what I actually think about it.

People suck. "We went to our Judeo-Christian beliefs". Wow, it took a whole 3 minutes for that to come up; I thought it would have been much sooner.

Not in the most progressive state in the country, it won't pass. BTW, I already made a thread about this in Extended Discussion.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Not in the most progressive state in the country, it won't pass. BTW, I already made a thread about this in Extended Discussion.

Us R/Sers tend to stick to one forum, generally speaking.

And I just read an article about the ordeal and apparently he was arrested because he refused to leave after the meeting was concluded because he wasn't happy with the result. My personal opinion is I think it is too soon for this; we still have too many religious people to make homosexual marriage equal. The thing that really gets me is that there is one reason and one reason only for being against homosexual marriage, and that's religion. It's exactly like the blasphemy law in Britain; 100% motivated by ancient fairytales pedaled by ignorant people.

I love the whole fear-angle. But it's pretty horrible that people can be manipulated to vote on such a theocratic thing. Even if it was bad for children, and there is no evidence it actually is, we don't forbid rappers to appear on tv up because of their 'bad influence' on kids. Anyhow, freedom is a nice theory, just doesn't go well with religion and the whole 'we decide what sin and evil are' lot.

Guys come on, if gay marriage was legal, next people will want to be marrying their slaves.

Wasn't it Huckabee who said marrying animals was going to come next if gay marriage became legal?

Huckabee was on scary man; thank Zeus who didn't get very far.

I'm voting Yes on Prop 8.

Originally Posted by Jorge

I'm voting Yes on Prop 8.

Joking, I hope.


I can't comprehend how, in a leading force of the world that is the USA, a retarded proposition like this even exists. What the hell?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Guys come on, if gay marriage was legal, next people will want to be marrying their slaves.

And thats only like half a step away from marrying animals.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

And thats only like half a step away from marrying animals.

I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but the "marry animals" argument is absurd. Animals can't even sign the marriage form and if they could by dipping their paws into ink or something they still wouldn't understand the significance of it.

Let's forget religion for a moment.

If Prop 8 passes, it will amend the California constitution with a 50% + 1 vote majority of the people of California. The constitution is supposed to be amended by a 3/4 majority (if I remember correctly) of the California legislative body. I don't even know how Prop 8 got on the ballot.

If the constitution can be amended with a simple majority, we might as well through it out and just have an ever-fluctuating body of laws.

This Prop seems to be setting a bad precedent, no matter what your personal beliefs are.

Originally Posted by ClassyElf

I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but the "marry animals" argument is absurd. Animals can't even sign the marriage form and if they could by dipping their paws into ink or something they still wouldn't understand the significance of it.

You know what man? When people said they wanted to choose who they married it was argued, "Oh yeah, but what's next? People will probably want to start marrying outside their class"

Then, when people wanted to marry outside their class, people were like "what? next you'll want to marry outside your race!"

And then people started doing that, and now they want to marry people of their same gender. Well? What's the next logical step? What is one stop more pervert and corrupt?

Granted, guys have been wanting to marry rich girls, black girls or other dudes for all of human history. I don't know what portion of the population has fallen so in love with their dogs they want to marry them

Wasn't judeochristian values warped into saying inter racial relations were bad too?


The endless ignorance of people makes me laugh. I think the guy is a faggot anyway crying on camera at the end.

This video is pointless anyway...like seriously pointless. It is like saying "it will effect your children." But the only people who would care about what this video has to say are people who are ALREADY going to vote to "protect marriage."

Which is ridiculous anyway, marriage has NOTHING to do with religion anyway and to pretend that it does is to lie. It was around before christianity tried to dig its hands into it, in pagan forms as well, and if you're going to vote to "protect marriage" from gay people you should be voting to "protect" it from atheists and people who aren't of your religion as well.

I mean seriously, I'm confused as to why it even requires a vote.


For those of you unaware there is also the amendment two thing going on.

Here is another horrible video...I'm assuming I haven't watched it.



You know what pisses me off? I already have to deal with the fact that I can never have the life I wanted. I can never find a girl that I can say I actually love and settle down with and have children and grow old and die. I'm FORCED into this alternative lifestyle. I didn't choose to not like women, and I didn't choose to like men. Why should I be forced to not even have a little bit of what I wanted? What is so bad about wanting to get married, and adopt a child while having joint custody with my husband?

Roar. http://www.yes2marriage.org/learn-mo...rriage-videos/ More evil vids.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I already have to deal with the fact that I can never have the life I wanted. I can never find a girl that I can say I actually love and settle down with and have children and grow old and die. I'm FORCED into this alternative lifestyle. I didn't choose to not like women, and I didn't choose to like men. Why should I be forced to not even have a little bit of what I wanted? What is so bad about wanting to get married, and adopt a child while having joint custody with my husband?

I wish you weren't just some avatar on a forum. I would invite you and your hubby to go out with me and mine to a gay bar for some drinks! (drag show is on sundays, let me know )

Jorge, You are just a homophobe who tries to disguise yourself with rationality. Get a life.

Bcomp, thankyou for expressing your views in a kind manner even though you know you are outnumbered. But I must say that I disagree with you ridiculously.

You quoted some statistics about the fall of birth rates after the legalization of gay marriage. Did this harm the country? In our world of welfare babies and teenage pregnancy, is this really an issue? I mean... overpopulation? We are not China. Doesn't this also show that many people who prefer the same gender are actually not living happy fulfilled lives because the straight life style is being pushed on them? Which brings the question, do you believe it's a choice?

The amount of unparented children in this country is astounding. When the reproductive couples copulate and don't want their children, where do they go? Possibly the married gay couples can make up for this travesty. We cannot reproduce, so we can take in these children who have no families, no mom or dad, and make them part of something. I find it hard to believe that the amount of gay marriages will outnumber the amount of children in orphanages.

You talk about the word marriage being a traditional value and part of our history that has stemmed from a long time ago. Putting the fact aside that it was invented by the pagans, isn't tradition made to be destroyed? People change with the moral zeitgeist of our time. It was tradition to own slaves, it was tradition to stone whores. This changes over time. Gay marriage is nothing but a new issue of our time. It is not destructive or impeding on anyone. It is all about acceptance of a different lifestyle of two adults.

/maturity

Jorge, fuck you.

Originally Posted by queeniediva

Has anyone noticed how the wife in this video doesn' talk...she just sits there and stares at her husband while he talks LOL...does she not have an opinion? LOL

It's because she lives in the ideal "traditional family", where only the man is allowed to talk.

Hm...why do people think there needs to be a rational reason?

If I don't like, say, shrimp...and I gather a thousand other people who dislike shrimp and we all go over and meet with 100 people who do like shrimp to protest, those 100 will be quite outnumbered and have no way of defending their point. They'd "lose".

Wow, I am really terrible at analogies. But the point is...if more people than you and your allies want something allowed or prohibited, they'll get what they want. It's a matter of power. So either you make it your goal to get enough power to impose your will on those others or you sit there and endure it because you are powerless and outnumbered. There's no point in whining about it.

Don't expect the world to be fair when it comes to social ideals.
Equality is for the weak. The kind of universal tolerance we have today will soon bring about tolerating things like rape and crime of all sorts (oh, wait, murderers are already let free all around).
People must fight for what they stand for, not hold hands and pray for peace in the world by allowing everyone what they want. War is in human nature, and that includes social conflicts too, not just using weapons to slaughter your opposition.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Hm...why do people think there needs to be a rational reason?

If I don't like, say, shrimp...and I gather a thousand other people who dislike shrimp and we all go over and meet with 100 people who do like shrimp to protest, those 100 will be quite outnumbered and have no way of defending their point. They'd "lose".

Wow, I am really terrible at analogies. But the point is...if more people than you and your allies want something allowed or prohibited, they'll get what they want. It's a matter of power. So either you make it your goal to get enough power to impose your will on those others or you sit there and endure it because you are powerless and outnumbered. There's no point in whining about it.

Don't expect the world to be fair when it comes to social ideals.
Equality is for the weak. The kind of universal tolerance we have today will soon bring about tolerating things like rape and crime of all sorts (oh, wait, murderers are already let free all around).
People must fight for what they stand for, not hold hands and pray for peace in the world by allowing everyone what they want. War is in human nature, and that includes social conflicts too, not just using weapons to slaughter your opposition.

Wow. Just, wow. I dub thee troll.

...do the common posters on DV even know the definition of a "forum troll" anymore?

It feels like it's just being thrown around randomly to avoid further discussion.

Originally Posted by Merlock

...do the common posters on DV even know the definition of a "forum troll" anymore?

It feels like it's just being thrown around randomly to avoid further discussion.

troll


Seriously now, get your old avatar back.

Originally Posted by Merlock

...do the common posters on DV even know the definition of a "forum troll" anymore?

It feels like it's just being thrown around randomly to avoid further discussion.

Well he couldn't possibly be that insane...

"Equality is for the weak" "Tolerance leads to rape."

Yeah...couldn't possibly be a troll.