Thread: Doubting my Faith

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Some people just want more than looking forward to a life of atoms then to a cold grave....

When I was a small child, my mother taught me that just wanting something doesn't make it happen. I guess your mother forgot that lesson.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

When I was a small child, my mother taught me that just wanting something doesn't make it happen. I guess your mother forgot that lesson.

My mom never taught me wanting something makes it happen.

I was taught that If wanted something to go out their and make it happen.

To each his own. I guess my mom encouraged my right side brain just a little bit more.


Remember doubting yourself never helps you accomplish anything, this is true in many facets of life.
If you go into something with a pre-conceived notion their is no chance in finding the truth, you must go into something with an open mind.

So how does wanting there to be a heaven make there be a heaven? Wouldn't it be much better to focus your efforts on making THIS world into a heaven, instead of being a religious bastard all your life and expecting there to be a heaven waiting for you?

The moment of elaboration, consideration ends.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

So how does wanting there to be a heaven make there be a heaven? Wouldn't it be much better to focus your efforts on making THIS world into a heaven, instead of being a religious bastard all your life and expecting there to be a heaven waiting for you?

You're irritating as hell. I don't think he was implying that wanting makes it so, what he was saying was that if you want something, like heaven, to be, then you have to go investigate and look for it. You have to go about actively searching for answers, and you have to keep an open mind.

Then agian, maybe that wasn't what he was saying at all?

Originally Posted by drewmandan

When I was a small child, my mother taught me that just wanting something doesn't make it happen. I guess your mother forgot that lesson.

Your mother limited you in ways you may never know.

Becum teh atheeust!

Christianity, like all other religions are a fraud used politically to manipulate public opinion and cause diversity among the people of the world.

Watch the first part of this movie and you will see the lie and how it is used to change people into sheep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

Anyone that is capable of logical reasoning would have ruled out the existence of a god like "Jesus" a long time ago. I don't mean to put down your faith - but let's be realistic, religion is nothing more than exxagerated stories and false claims that have been taken to an extreme level. Religion was the product of a lack of understanding where humans came from. We know now where we came from. The only reason religion still exists is because the people that own this fucking world knows that it keeps millions of people occupied and their minds off what might interfere with their own greedy self-interests. That, and people are making cash hand over fist on religions like christianity. Religion is a VERY powerful tool. Religion is used as a cash-grab and a lullaby to not question authority in modern world.

SpecialInterests, apart from the seeming fallacies and religious dogma, you have completely ignored the aspect of spiritual reality. The spiritual reality is the essential foundation, much like all the major religions.


Also, the Zeitgeist movie is not worth mentioning. While it may seem convincing, it has many unbacked and false claims; many criticisms and flaws - especially in the first part. These "consipiracy" theory compilations are very misleading. For one example, in the first part of the movie, a speaker says:

"…when it comes to bullshit, big time majorly bullshit, you have to stand in all, the all time champion of all time exagerate claim - Religion. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there is invisible man living in the sky, watching everything you do, every minute of every day. An invisible man has a special list of 10 things he doesn’t want you to do, and if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anger where he will send you to live for suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time...but he loves you, he loves you and he needs money!"

Actually, the speaker here is the one who has exaggerated his misinterpretations of Christianity. All that has happened is that the depictions of religion were taken out of context.
- The last part about money is not true. God, by definition, needs nothing.
- The "invisible man living in the sky" is a fallacious and exaggerated view, mainly derived from the way the scripts have been languaged and personified.
- God hasn't prepared any "places" such as hell, which is the place of Satan, however it still has no actual reality in the world of God and is merely the realm of ignorance and self-created sufferring.

Originally Posted by really

SpecialInterests, apart from the seeming fallacies and religious dogma, you have completely ignored the aspect of spiritual reality. The spiritual reality is the essential foundation, much like all the major religions.


Also, the Zeitgeist movie is not worth mentioning. While it may seem convincing, it has many unbacked and false claims; many criticisms and flaws - especially in the first part. These "consipiracy" theory compilations are very misleading. For one example, in the first part of the movie, a speaker says:

"…when it comes to bullshit, big time majorly bullshit, you have to stand in all, the all time champion of all time exagerate claim - Religion. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there is invisible man living in the sky, watching everything you do, every minute of every day. An invisible man has a special list of 10 things he doesn’t want you to do, and if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anger where he will send you to live for suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time...but he loves you, he loves you and he needs money!"

Actually, the speaker here is the one who has exaggerated his misinterpretations of Christianity. All that has happened is that the depictions of religion were taken out of context.
- The last part about money is not true. God, by definition, needs nothing.
- The "invisible man living in the sky" is a fallacious and exaggerated view, mainly derived from the way the scripts have been languaged and personified.
- God hasn't prepared any "places" such as hell, which is the place of Satan, however it still has no actual reality in the world of God and is merely the realm of ignorance and self-created sufferring.

It was a joke, to make fun of religion. Not God. That speaker is George Carlin - he's a comedian.
He was talking about organized religion, how the church always asks for money, how they pay no taxes and make billions and yet always need more.

And I think the Zeitgeist movie deserves a lot of credit. It made a lot of good points about the myth of Jesus and other Gods.
I'm personally not against the thought of spiritual worlds, entities, ideas, etc. I support it. And that movie makes no comments about spirituality, only Jesus himself and organized religion, which is what I too am against.
Spirituality is another discussion.

I'm doubting my faith in atheism. Someone help me.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

It was a joke, to make fun of religion. Not God. That speaker is George Carlin - he's a comedian.
He was talking about organized religion, how the church always asks for money, how they pay no taxes and make billions and yet always need more.

You can tell he was a comedian, and that he's making fun of religion, of course. But I don't see the point, there are a lot of these kind of debates, and quite often I can't tell whether they're just mocking religion or if they actually disbelieve the religious/spiritual understanding altogether.

To the Atheists: Prove it. Prove that there is no higher being.

Imagine how much worse our justice systems would be if they demanded complete proof that everyone else apart from the accused was innocent before giving a verdict of guilty.

Negative proof is essentially impossible and an irrational demand. Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Don't think that you've got it all figured out. There's still so much about the way the universe works that mankind has yet to figure out; that said, for one to think that they know what's what about the universe is to have a stone for a brain.

If not atheists, certainly anyone who believes in science will readily admit there's lot we don't know yet. But certainly the fact you can read this post is testament to the power of science (and proof that it works, and constantly works when we test it daily). Part of the problem I have with religion anyway is that it makes claims of knowledge it cannot have.

Spiritual Reality? You talk like spiritual reality is actual reality. Stop deluding yourself. Humans are physical beings. There is nothing spiritual about us... other than the spiritual residue you leave in the toilet after you relieve yourself from bowl movements. Is that what you talk about?

Its Christmas time! Quit acting ridiculous. If even one of your ancestrys believed in god then you owe it to him to believe because you might not be here.

Originally Posted by DotheDishes

Its Christmas time! Quit acting ridiculous. If even one of your ancestrys believed in god then you owe it to him to believe because you might not be here.

.. Slavery was a tradition of our ancestors, we owe it to keep that line going!

You'd still be working for the Egyptians.

Well, you were right. You did get torn apart, I am a full blown athiest.

Why is it that religious people constantly complain about people trying to take away their faiths, yet they are trying to get us logical people to believe that a big, 14 BILLION year old (approx age of universe) white man is ruling over us and that if we don't follow his 10 rules then we go to a place of fire and burning and pain for all eternity, BUT he loves you.

If "god" is the one who created all of this, then who created "god?" What is god? "god" says never to put another faith in front of him, yet his own alleged SON was Jewish? What?

I only believe in what I can see or can be proven. There was no adam and eve, just think of it, once they had a kid, how did they reproduce? Had sex with mommy or daddy? There is no god. There is no heaven or hell, when you die you go to wherever you think you go. It's that simple.

Realize there is a difference with religion and spirituality, I believe in neither, but the latter expects you to pray to the leader every sunday and give money to your church. GOD LIKES MONEY!

I am not against religion, but when someone tries to make me believe a faith, that's where I draw the line. People are being judged for what they believe is or isn't there, just grow up everyone.