Thread: Why was Satan cast down from Heaven?

I have always had a facination with the story of Satan, one because he seems to be the one source of logic in the book...and two because he never is really in the OT as he is depicited in christianity.

First fact...source any religious page you type in to google...The story involving the name Lucifer...mistranslated to mean the devil in modern bibles was actually meant to talk about the fall of a terrible babylonian king...so that leaves us with the Islamic story of him.

second fact...in the old testament it DOES talk about someone with the name Satan...however he is not an outcast from heavan he is a servant of god who is meant to test human's faith when God tells him to, and also make suggestions to God about whom to test.

In conclusion...It feels to me that Satan as he appears in modern christianity is actually much more a fabrication than much of the rest of the bible (thought it was impossible huh?) Also, if all we have to go on is the Islamic story about Satan...then he was thrown out for doing exactly what he was told to do by a supreme being...quite logical...

Originally Posted by tkdyo

First fact...source any religious page you type in to google...The story involving the name Lucifer...mistranslated to mean the devil in modern bibles was actually meant to talk about the fall of a terrible babylonian king...so that leaves us with the Islamic story of him.

second fact...in the old testament it DOES talk about someone with the name Satan...however he is not an outcast from heavan he is a servant of god who is meant to test human's faith when God tells him to, and also make suggestions to God about whom to test.

I would like to point out that both of these "facts" are really just interpretations.

The "first fact" references Isaiah 14:12 (KJV) which is indeed the only reference to Lucifer in the Bible. An important thing to keep in mind when studying Isaiah is that Isaiah very frequently speaks of more than one idea at a time. Looking at his writings from only one point of view will likely either lead to confusion or contradiction.

The "second fact" come from the early chapters of the book of Job. ( Unless it comes from the Qur’an, but I don't know much about Islam, and I would just make a fool of myself trying. .'. I'm sticking with the Bible.) I don't personally believe that Satan is an adviser to God, so I will give an alternate explanation to what goes on in that selection. Satan is a sinner. The suggestions are not wise observations as much the whining of a brat. I don't know exactly why God let Satan persecute Job, I just believe that God has all the answers and I don't.

Furthermore, never mind...

well, they seem to be interpretations that most religious scholars go with. I suppose that doesnt mean they are right, but they seem to be right when I read the passages they mention. Especially the one mentioning Lucifer...because in the original tora that is not meant to be a proper name, just an analogy.

My problem is that we mere mortals don't know what is going on in the higher realms. Just as our dogs cannot understand the politics that go on in our workplace, so too can we not understand the machinations in Heaven.

I think there's a passage where Christ was asked, if a man's wife passes away, and he remarries, who would be his wife when he went to heaven? Christ said that they just didn't understand what was going on in heaven to ask such a question. I get that feeling too, that, in the afterlife, things wouldn't be quite what we expect.

By the same token, we only have one version of what happened, namely, the people who don't think highly of Satan/Lucifer. We don't have his side of the story.

There are several topics that touch on the basis of your thread Cuddlyperson.

The very devil

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