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      I can't find anything to believe in

      Seriously, I just can't. I search all the time, it's all I ever do. Even when I'm at school it's all I ever think about. The truth?

      I started to believe in God in December, and I've thought about Christ. The bible is just a bunch of inconsistent nonsensical jibber jabber. One minute it's saying that souls can die; the next minute it's saying that they burn in hell forever. One minute God is merciful and slow to anger, then he commands genocide and murder. What the fuck is going on?

      It's like there is no one true interpritation of it. Everyone is so frigging different. And even putting Christianity aside there's all the other world religions. Are they all part of the same thing, or is one right and all the others are wrong?

      The entire universe makes no sense. Nothing accounts for the complexity. I'm halfway between a Christian and a nihilist... WTF do I do? If I don't have a world view then I'm simply incapacitated?

      Is truth relative? What if there IS no objective truth?

      WTF man?

      It makes me feel so miserable

      What can I do? This hurts.
      The starz...
      The planets...
      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
      Are you saying,
      that all of this was created,
      BY A MONKEY??????

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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      The entire universe makes no sense. Nothing accounts for the complexity.
      The search for truth, in my opinion, should be a lifelong pursuit, and not something that one ought to so comfortably make their minds up on right on the spot. Relax, give yourself time. Think it over, discuss your ideas with others, and don't rush into any conclusions.

      There are thousands of different beliefs and reasons not to believe out there, you just need to find what is right for you.

      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan
      What can I do? This hurts.
      Enjoy your life in the meantime. Search for truth when the opportunities present itself.
      Last edited by Invader; 01-28-2009 at 07:51 PM.

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      Obviously I can't know what you're feeling, but I don't get it anyway. You believe in god... so? What's the problem? Is the problem really finding something like god to believe in or is it a religious movement you want to follow.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      Obviously I can't know what you're feeling, but I don't get it anyway. You believe in god... so? What's the problem? Is the problem really finding something like god to believe in or is it a religious movement you want to follow.
      I want to know what I should do with my life.

      I also wish I could stop being so scared and paranoid. The thought of a God has brought me no comfort whatsoever.

      So many people have so much evidence of so many different things.
      The starz...
      The planets...
      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
      Are you saying,
      that all of this was created,
      BY A MONKEY??????

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      Is being scared and paranoid a result of the belief in a god?

      Eh... evidence. I don't know. At least I have the convenience of not seeing other peoples' proof as evidence.

      Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
      -Buddha

      heh... I think you should clear out to yourself what you really believe. I apologize if you do, but I get the feeling you don't.
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      Do you, specifically, believe that there is a conscious reason why we were put here, and a higher purpose? If not, then don't worry about it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with finding your own meaning in life. There doesn't have to be a higher meaning that is decided for you. Take ownership of your own life, is what I say.

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      Read some existentialism

      fuck yea.

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      The outside world can provide clues

      But truth comes purely from within

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      I used to be the same way, then I turned my attention to looking inside rather than out---more specifically, Buddhism.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      Seriously, I just can't. I search all the time, it's all I ever do. Even when I'm at school it's all I ever think about. The truth?

      I started to believe in God in December, and I've thought about Christ. The bible is just a bunch of inconsistent nonsensical jibber jabber. One minute it's saying that souls can die; the next minute it's saying that they burn in hell forever. One minute God is merciful and slow to anger, then he commands genocide and murder. What the fuck is going on?

      It's like there is no one true interpritation of it. Everyone is so frigging different. And even putting Christianity aside there's all the other world religions. Are they all part of the same thing, or is one right and all the others are wrong?

      The entire universe makes no sense. Nothing accounts for the complexity. I'm halfway between a Christian and a nihilist... WTF do I do? If I don't have a world view then I'm simply incapacitated?

      Is truth relative? What if there IS no objective truth?

      WTF man?

      It makes me feel so miserable

      What can I do? This hurts.
      I will suggest a few books to you...

      Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu (preferably Steven Mitchell's translation)

      The Tao of Physics by Fritjof Capra

      The Lucid Dreamer by Malcolm Godwin (a mystical path to enlightenment approach to lucid dreaming- It has a lot of truth mixed with some hocus pocus bull shit.)

      Pretty much anything about Zen-Buddhism

      I think the truth is somewhere in there.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Don't feel you need some structured religious path to believng in something.


      Go outside and look at the ground, deeper, and deeper.


      And see.

      No;stay where you are.

      Just.. stop.

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      Just do what I do. Ignore any "Truths", and let other people deal with the search of "Meaning of life" and such. It'll save you alot of time and effort and headache. Eventually, someone will figure it out, if there is any meaning, and then you'll know what to believe in.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kastro187420 View Post
      Just do what I do. Ignore any "Truths", and let other people deal with the search of "Meaning of life" and such. It'll save you alot of time and effort and headache. Eventually, someone will figure it out, if there is any meaning, and then you'll know what to believe in.

      Yea, thinking for yourself is overrated anyways, AMIRITE?!

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      Truth is individually subjective. Belief is a futile blind hope of truth if something is there that you do not know to be true.
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      Carou, the choice to see any thing over another gives it no more validity with words.
      Just because you are here, doesn't mean that being there is not here also, people do what they choose.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      You know...all my childhood I studied all kinds of religions and forced myself to worship Gods that seemed cool to me. Yet deep down, I knew none of it made sense. Even when I thought of God in a Christian point of view, I still felt uneasy about believing all the far fetched stories they portray in the religion.

      Anyhow, everything changed for me after I began taking martial art classes. My instructor was a very spiritual man, yet he did not follow any specific religion. He believed every religion ultimately led to the same basic principles, which was to connect with the creator, which to him, was nothing more or less than a form of energy - whatever it was that keeps us, animals, nature, planets, the universe, alive and going.

      Of course I would question his beliefs, until one day he decided to add another class for the week, yet this one wouldn't be about practicing our katas. This class would be about connecting with life; God.

      He made us meditate for some time, always correcting our postures if we slouched or got lazy. He guided us to a complete state of relaxation, and convinced us to break down any barriers (misconceptions, prejudices, conditioned ideas) that we already had about God, and just accept it within ourselves. He would make us imagine the whole universe, and he would tell us to simply accept its purity. That day, I felt a way I never did before. (And I did have a lot of prior meditation experience under my belt...and had attained very deep states of mind with the use of external elements, such as psychedelics).


      So, that's my idea of spirituality now. Perhaps the way I felt was completely neurological, or perhaps there is a greater energy that our five senses do not allow us to perceive (think radio waves, infra red, oxygen), and perhaps it's been here for us, all along. Yet as society so loves to do, it destroyed the simplicity of it and turned it into all kinds of supernatural nonsense.


      Just an interesting way of perceiving the whole concept Idolfan. Good luck in your quest.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      Seriously, I just can't. I search all the time, it's all I ever do. Even when I'm at school it's all I ever think about. The truth
      Believe in your Self. What else?

      Trouble is, do you know who you are?

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      Believe in your Self. What else?

      Trouble is, do you know who you are?
      Godamn I agree.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      Seriously, I just can't. I search all the time, it's all I ever do. Even when I'm at school it's all I ever think about. The truth?

      I started to believe in God in December, and I've thought about Christ. The bible is just a bunch of inconsistent nonsensical jibber jabber. One minute it's saying that souls can die; the next minute it's saying that they burn in hell forever. One minute God is merciful and slow to anger, then he commands genocide and murder. What the fuck is going on?

      It's like there is no one true interpritation of it. Everyone is so frigging different. And even putting Christianity aside there's all the other world religions. Are they all part of the same thing, or is one right and all the others are wrong?

      The entire universe makes no sense. Nothing accounts for the complexity. I'm halfway between a Christian and a nihilist... WTF do I do? If I don't have a world view then I'm simply incapacitated?

      Is truth relative? What if there IS no objective truth?

      WTF man?

      It makes me feel so miserable

      What can I do? This hurts.
      Are you searching for a religious answer? i try and think of what the truth is, what it means, but nothing ever comes up because what the hell is a truth? Religion is not the truth, it is what man believed thousands of years ago and now it's only a power thing. Sometimes i get frusterated wanting to know the truth, then i tell myself...maybe there is no truth, maybe i am just wanting a truth. Whatever that there is, is all there will be for me, for you, for us. But i pretty much stopped thinking that way, i work, i watch my hockey, i play video games...no time to think of this. As what has been said in here, search for your own truth, because finding the ultimate truth is like finding the meaning of life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      Seriously, I just can't. I search all the time, it's all I ever do. Even when I'm at school it's all I ever think about. The truth?
      On second thought, I recommend a spiritual pathway. Searching for Truth, bypass religion, but not its spirituality.

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      On second thought, I recommend a spiritual pathway. Searching for Truth, bypass religion, but not its spirituality.
      Too much labelling.

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      Become a pagan

      Cycles!
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      There is no inherent meaning to the universe. The only thing of value is experience. Hence, make your experience virtuous.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      There is no inherent meaning to the universe. The only thing of value is experience. Hence, make your experience virtuous.
      How about change?

      Everything in the universe is constantly changing in some way.
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      What something does is not the same as what something is for.

      The universe changes. The planets turn. The clouds swirl. There's no purpose behind it; they're not built to achieve any goal.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      What something does is not the same as what something is for.

      The universe changes. The planets turn. The clouds swirl. There's no purpose behind it; they're not built to achieve any goal.
      Meaning and purpose are two different things are they not?
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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