Thread: What the hell are you seeking?

Since religion is forced upon people, is there even a reason why they're* with that religion? it's been forced upon them, so they really don't have a reason except forced religion. That's IMO though.

It is not so forceful as to negate the given free will of consciousness.

- I don't follow anyone, but myself. So, no religion.
- I want to follow my spiritual path, but I believe so is everyone, so
that's nothing special either. I'll just try to do it consciously (and I
am pretty sure, things lie within' -reachable through different means).
- I am looking for an alternative way of life, most likely in a very
different country, for once because I'd like to change 'my cultural
operating system', but also because I feel I have looked through
ours and don't want to take part in that big, destructive machinery.

What am I seeking? I don't know, really. Nothing so much as to live
life, the way I think that I would enjoy it the most, without doing harm.
That's my only, true premise I guess, everything else will come
from there. I'm trying not to plan too much.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Tell me why 'you're' a buddhist, why 'you're' a christian, why you follow a guideline or tread a 'spiritual' path or at least attribute these terms to your self.

Why, why, why do you do what you are doing. Can you give reason? If so then why do you want this or that, what on Earth are you doing?

What about yourself?

Without a map of the zoo, you might never see the elephants.

It is not so forceful as to negate the given free will of consciousness.

You really think so? The power of religious indoctrination is well known, and even very intelligent people can struggle to escape its grasp.

In some cases, it becomes so ingrained in to someone's psyche and that person is not equipped to break out of it, that they never really had a choice.

Never underastimate the laziness of people

It's hard work to go out of your way to start questioning
what is around you. But once that's happening, a lot will
become easier. I also believe that, even if on a subconcious
level, we choose to believe what we believe and, more often
than not, are too lazy to change.

Look at a child for example. It starts out by questioning
everything, and while doing that he or she builds the foundation
of his or her reality. After a few years into it and after being
told 'because that's the way it is' the child notices, that it is
a lot simpler to not ask questions and simply blend in, accept.
This 'childish' trait is lost in a lot of adults, but I think it's
lost because of a choice for convenience.

But I think I need to mention that I also doubt free will in general.

Nice question.

Although, I suppose this is a rhetorical "quest"-ion for you since I would assume you know this answer better than most...

In any event, there is no "Why" to anything other than that which we arbitrarily assign to "this", or "that"...

Just as, there is no "Meaning" to anything other than that which we arbitrarily assign to "this", or "that" moment...

Some find that perceived "Meaning" in "this" interpretation of God or concept... others find it in "that" messiah or mathematical formula...

Undeniably, when every stark interpretation is boiled down to it's core there is no difference between "them".

"This" and "That" are the differing interpretations of the same unchangeable, unnameable something which hides and seeks for absolution in itself.

What is "it"?

Personally, I like to call it "You".

But really it can be any term "You" wish to give it as "this" self-asserted unknowable variable of something just outside of your perceivable limits...

However limited you may view them.

What happens when one begins to view their actual self as limitless...?

At that point the seeking stops and the observing of yourself begins.

Do you ever ever?

One per per son.

What is the meaning of meaning?

Originally Posted by ClouD

Tell me why 'you're' a buddhist, why 'you're' a christian, why you follow a guideline or tread a 'spiritual' path or at least attribute these terms to your self.

Why, why, why do you do what you are doing. Can you give reason? If so then why do you want this or that, what on Earth are you doing?

Your attitude is incredibly arrogant.

I don't believe an attitude can be properly portrayed in so few sentences.

Honestly, a misperception of an attitude would be a misplacement of your own reflection on yours...

Inevitably, it's all the same regardless...

The universe is full of itself and so are we.

Nothing to be ashamed of...

er...

Originally Posted by really

What about yourself?

In response to the question, nothing but everything. Inexplicably, I wonder to see though who will explain.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Without a map of the zoo, you might never see the elephants.

Are we here for the elephants or is that just what the map points to? I won't ask why you're looking for the elephants.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

You really think so? The power of religious indoctrination is well known, and even very intelligent people can struggle to escape its grasp.

In some cases, it becomes so ingrained in to someone's psyche and that person is not equipped to break out of it, that they never really had a choice.

I won't assume that we're the only form of input, if at all that. Who even knows of a division between them and I. Who knows? The point is that either ultimatum, having free will or not, it doesn't change what we do, nor these responses in any way. Meaning that 'free-will' aside, we still are what we are and do what we do - that's no excuse for anything, people may change and realise (with or without choice) something or another.
I'm not against religion, why are you? What do you seek in that?

Originally Posted by dajo

Never underastimate the laziness of people

It's hard work to go out of your way to start questioning
what is around you. But once that's happening, a lot will
become easier. I also believe that, even if on a subconcious
level, we choose to believe what we believe and, more often
than not, are too lazy to change.

Look at a child for example. It starts out by questioning
everything, and while doing that he or she builds the foundation
of his or her reality. After a few years into it and after being
told 'because that's the way it is' the child notices, that it is
a lot simpler to not ask questions and simply blend in, accept.
This 'childish' trait is lost in a lot of adults, but I think it's
lost because of a choice for convenience.

But I think I need to mention that I also doubt free will in general.

Why is questioning any greater than laziness? Dissatisfaction vs contentment maybe?

Originally Posted by mysterious dreamer

Your attitude is incredibly arrogant.

I must be greater than thou.
You are arrogant enough to have pointed that out, what of my post breached your tightly clung values? Maybe the presupposition of your reasoning?

The elephants are wicked cool, and I hear there are bonobos.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Why is questioning any greater than laziness? Dissatisfaction vs contentment maybe?

Value lies in the eyes of the beholder. So it isn't any greater, of course.

But it's always easier to remain the same.
Maybe it's the selflessness?

Originally Posted by Taosaur

The elephants are wicked cool, and I hear there are bonobos.

That's what they tell you.
I sometims glance at it, but don't use the sketched in roundabout.

Also, I hear the bon bons are a fake.
And I prefer the snakes anyway

Originally Posted by ClouD

Tell me why 'you're' a buddhist, why 'you're' a christian, why you follow a guideline or tread a 'spiritual' path or at least attribute these terms to your self.

Why, why, why do you do what you are doing. Can you give reason? If so then why do you want this or that, what on Earth are you doing?

To me, this question implies that there might not be a reason for theistic belief.

Before I answer, I need to clarify the question: Is this asking whether or not religious belief is rational or can be shown to be rational; or is it asking if individual persons have a reason for it - rational or not?

I don't know anymore. I'm a blind deaf and dumb fool stumbling around in something called reality.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

I don't know anymore. I'm a blind deaf and dumb fool stumbling around in something called reality.

Very nicely put. We all are

Originally Posted by ClouD

Tell me why 'you're' a buddhist, why 'you're' a christian, why you follow a guideline or tread a 'spiritual' path or at least attribute these terms to your self.

Why, why, why do you do what you are doing. Can you give reason? If so then why do you want this or that, what on Earth are you doing?

to get plastered and score chicks

no joke

they dig the whole "i am deep lol i know philusuphy" stuff


yeee high five broski

Originally Posted by ClouD

In response to the question, nothing but everything. Inexplicably, I wonder to see though who will explain.

I would have to agree with you and respond alike, even though it seems silly either way...

Perhaps I'm seeking dissolution, and therefore to recognize the All that remains.

Originally Posted by Denver

Is this asking whether or not religious belief is rational or can be shown to be rational; or is it asking if individual persons have a reason for it - rational or not?

Seconded.

This thread sounds like it's specifically aimed at stereotypical people who go to church once a week because it's a tradition in their family and otherwise never remember that they're religious

Originally Posted by Arutad

Seconded.

This thread sounds like it's specifically aimed at stereotypical people who go to church once a week because it's a tradition in their family and otherwise never remember that they're religious

It's not, though you'll take it whatever way you will.
I'm specifically aimed at all believers and seekers of anything.

I look to people, measure what they've got. And ask myself, do I want what they have?

And if I want what they have, then I ask myself, how do I get it for myself?

So as it turns out, the people who have what I want the most are the most spiritual teachers around. So I make my attempt to follow in their foot steps so I can have what they have

does that make sense?

Oh, the 'hell' part was my idea of humour.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Tell me why 'you're' a buddhist, why 'you're' a christian, why you follow a guideline or tread a 'spiritual' path or at least attribute these terms to your self.

Why, why, why do you do what you are doing. Can you give reason? If so then why do you want this or that, what on Earth are you doing?

Because I am under the delusion of me......

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Because I am under the delusion of me......

'I' am a lot of things.

There is one thing 'I' am not, though.

That's where 'I' will be...