Thread: Lucid Dreaming - The Devil?

so much unexplained things--to me, in my opinion there has to be a God of this earth...

Why does that mean anything other than "there's a lot we don't yet understand"? A lack of knowledge is no reason to believe in a god, it's a reason to believe that there's currently a lack of knowledge.

I've never understood this reasoning, and it seems to be reasonably common.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

Why does that mean anything other than "there's a lot we don't yet understand"? A lack of knowledge is no reason to believe in a god, it's a reason to believe that there's currently a lack of knowledge.

I've never understood this reasoning, and it seems to be reasonably common.

The only thing in life that irks me towards a belief in anything having to do with a creator.. Is where did the original material that exploded in the big bang come from..

P.S. The Bible isn't the place to find your creator.

The only thing in life that irks me towards a belief in anything having to do with a creator.. Is where did the original material that exploded in the big bang come from..

This either begs the question "where did the creator come from", or "if the creator supposedly always existed, why could the universe not always have existed?"

After all, any creator would have to be far more complicated than the universe as a whole. It therefore makes no sense to believe that it could always have been there, whilst something much simpler (the universe) could not.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

This either begs the question "where did the creator come from", or "if the creator supposedly always existed, why could the universe not always have existed?"

After all, any creator would have to be far more complicated than the universe as a whole. It therefore makes no sense to believe that it could always have been there, whilst something much simpler (the universe) could not.

But it comes down to this, how did something come out of nothing...

It makes no sense, with or without a God.

And to your question , How can something always exist?

But it comes down to this, how did something come out of nothing... How can something always exist?

If you get an answer to that, let everyone know.

It makes no sense, with or without a God.

I agree, at least with current knowledge. Maybe the question would eventually be reduced down to "why is there a universe in the first place?".

Anyway, even if the universe appeared from nothing, or came about by some completely unknown means, or even if it was always there somehow, it makes even less sense to say it was created. A creator is always harder to explain away than an uncreated universe.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

If you get an answer to that, let everyone know.



I agree, at least with current knowledge. Maybe the question would eventually be reduced down to "why is there a universe in the first place?".

Anyway, even if the universe appeared from nothing, or came about by some completely unknown means, or even if it was always there somehow, it makes even less sense to say it was created. A creator is always harder to explain away than an uncreated universe.

This is the type of paradox that leads people to a belief in a creator. Maybe I'm thinking of a creator as whatever started the spiraling..

Originally Posted by Kromoh

epic lol

I'm gonna sig that.

Thanks.

Meh It's only sinful as real life actions, IE: Raping someone, killing people. ( Banishing em is fine, to remove them but if you enjoy doing that, and you are a Christian it probably is sinful.)

My POV. Also, if it was sinful. Why would me and other Christians be natural lucid dreamers? Surely God wouldn't make us sin.

Christians really make me sick when they accuse something they don't even know.

Of course everyone agrees with you. That's like saying dreaming is a sin.

Nothing in the Bible I've seen says Lucid Dreaming is a sin, except if you lust for the wife of another man (9th commandment I think), but that's the only thing I can think of.

As for the Devil playing tricks on your mind? Call BS on them and ask them where in the Bible it said that. If it makes you feel more confident, tell them a Christian Lucid Dreamer is asking.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

If rational arguments worked on people who were religious, there'd be no religion.

Trying to reason with dogma is not renowned for its results.

Photo, I have to sig that, it's just so quotable

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

It could be a test from God to see how you would react if you had total control of the World

If this is true my friend then I have failed with flying colors

Welcome back btw, haven't seen you around in a while.

I think in Revelations, the person who wrote it, I forgot who but he probably had a lucid dream. God showed him how the world will end, there really isn't a way to do that if you aren't dreaming.(That's just one huge assumption though)

Me, and other Christians have been lucid dreaming all our life. God wouldn't make us sin if we didn't even know about it.

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Photo, I have to sig that, it's just so quotable

Thanks :p

The first part was paraphrased from House though (and it's an excellent quote), but the second part is all me

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Atheists are about 10,000,000,000,000 times better than Catholics.

I think ur thinkin of fundies. The pope said evolution is fine and that the bible isnt to be taken litterally...its been that way for quite a while now....

anyways, as most people have said, your friends obviously do not understand what LDing is. Just explain to them that no demons or spirits are involved and they should be fine....they are probably equating it with astral projection *sighs*