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Last edited by Xei; 08-02-2009 at 04:56 PM.
Think about it this way. If the prayers had worked than it wouldn't be an issue. They didn't work so he must have prayed wrong or god would have listened. Now we have this pesky little thing called "separation of church and state" that means that we can't send him to jail for praying wrong so we send him to jail for denying her "medical care". It's sort of like saying that we are hypocrites for locking up al capone on tax evasion. We get the bad guys off the street however we can. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
Bullshit. |
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Xei, is God legal in Canada? Yes. So, does that mean people should be able to prevent their children from getting necessary medical care? No. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
No. What I'm suggesting is that Christian nation preaching Christian ideals or not, the man deserves 25 years for negligence for relying purely on prayer and the power of God rather than using the logic, reason and intelligence given to him by said God to seek medical aid for his dying daughter. Because he choose not to act and instead hope that God acts, he is guilty of negligence. There is nothing wrong or hypocritical about a Christian nation imprisoning someone for practicing Christian ideals in such as way that can be either directly, or indirectly, harmful to someone. For example, it is not hypocritical for a Christian nation to prosecute a man whom relies solely on prayer and does not use the gifts of God he has been given to seek out medical aid on his own terms. It is perfectly reasonable and hypocritical of the US to do this. |
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You want hypocrisy? From the article: |
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The world has a bad habit of always trying to step in when they percieve a child being mistreated. Whether rightly or wrongly, the man had freedom of religion but the second his religious beliefs endangered another person (and a child inable of mature consent) then, by law, the government had to step in. |
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What country do you live in? Have you ever watched television in the United States? The media doesn't drone on and on about God, not even the right wing networks. Saying that we're such a Christian nation is so untrue. We used to be, but for better or for worse, we're not anymore. |
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Last edited by Advantageous Noodle; 08-03-2009 at 02:30 AM. Reason: age adjustments
Life in a box is better than no life at all, I expect. You'd have a chance, at least. You could lie there thinking, "Well. At least I'm not dead.'
-Rosencrantz
The weighted companion cube cannot speak.
And when we pretended we were going to murder you- that was great...
You're off your rocker if you think the purpose of this thread is to 'insult Christians'. This thread is entirely about the place of religion within legal systems... and as far as can see there has been no insulting of anybody due to faiths. Of course if you were talking about DV in general then none of the above applies because it's true that such things happen from time to time (although I still think you're exaggerating). |
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Are you kidding me? Only the conservative talk show hosts (Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh in particular) are outspoken about God. What you don't understand is that most people who believe in God don't actually follow the religion they are a part of and wouldn't ever think of taking the notion of faith healing seriously. Politicians talking about religion is pretty much just a way to identify with the 78% of our population that identify themselves as Christian. |
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Last edited by Black_Eagle; 08-03-2009 at 03:19 AM.
Surrender your flesh. We demand it.
Just saying it how it is. That's how the USA is perceived in the UK, and I feel most of Europe. |
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Last edited by Xei; 08-03-2009 at 03:20 AM.
I pretty much agree with the characterization of the US as a religious nation. We don't even realize how bad it is because of all this garbage about "respecting" other peoples views. How am I honestly supposed to respect somebody for believing that there is a man in the sky? The local bans on strip clubs, the illegality of prostituition, the illegality of gay marriage, the illegality of drugs (imposed on the rest of the world by the US) and others are all shaped by a christian sense of morality and are in direct contradiction to the principle of seperation of church and state. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
That is absolutely preposterous. The only atheist here who ever brought up the idea of abolishing religions was Xei, who said in the very same (this) thread that it is not an option. He was just pointing out a double standard in society. I also flat out said abolishing religion is not an option. You are acting hysterical and prejudiced. And when in the Hell did any atheist here ever complain about being "oppressed" by the religious people here, especially on the basis that religious people are taking up for themselves against attacks? I have yet to see an atheist here complain about being oppressed by religious people here. It is always the other way around. Have you read DaveJ's posts, for example? A lot (not all) of the Christians who come to this site can't even have a debate. They just get offended and whine that atheists question Christianity... in a RELIGION forum of all places! You made up a whole bunch of nonsense to write that hateful post. I think you should re-examine what you said and take it back. If you won't do that, prove to me that I am a fake. I challenge you. |
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Last edited by Universal Mind; 08-03-2009 at 02:57 AM.
How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Prove that you're not a fake. Prove that you respect everyone's beliefs. It shouldn't be a challenge for you. Convince me and I will admit that I'm wrong. |
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Life in a box is better than no life at all, I expect. You'd have a chance, at least. You could lie there thinking, "Well. At least I'm not dead.'
-Rosencrantz
The weighted companion cube cannot speak.
And when we pretended we were going to murder you- that was great...
I don't respect everyones beliefs. why should I? Should I respect the beliefs of the parents that let their kid die? Of course I shouldn't. The notion of respecting everyones beliefs is just a bunch of typical liberal hypocrite bullshit. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
That's ridiculous. You made the rotten claim. Back it up with something, or else prove to me that you don't rape frogs. You don't have anything in mind right now, do you? Yet you made the claim. Now who's intolerant? |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
That's...actually quite depressing x.x I never views the United States as a Christian nation. I feel like the Americans who do are perverting the core principles this nation was founded upon. |
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Surrender your flesh. We demand it.
To a degree, I agree with Exo. I might not choose his same words, but lets be realistic for a moment: |
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It's really tricky. |
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Last edited by PhilosopherStoned; 08-03-2009 at 09:23 AM. Reason: I just had to put value in quotes in the context of using it to refer to religion
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