Thread: God's minute

Originally Posted by really

God is compassionate and merciful because that's how He made you; you were made inside God. You are one with God. If a bird shat on your face on its way past, does God hate you? Or do you simply hate God? Like I said, no problems exist in Reality, the mind has simply made them up.

The world made up the flood?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The world made up the flood?

Made up? Nothing I have said suggests that.

Are you asking what "caused" the flood? The world made the flood, rain made the flood, water made the flood, temperature made the flood, the solar system made the flood, wind made the flood, weather made the flood, nature made the flood, everything made the flood, God made the flood; God is the flood.

What's your point?

Originally Posted by really

Like I said, no problems exist in Reality, the mind has simply made them up.

Originally Posted by really

Made up? Nothing I have said suggests that.

Originally Posted by really

Like I said, it is part of nature, part of God, and deliberate.

Originally Posted by really

The world made the flood, rain made the flood, water made the flood, temperature made the flood, the solar system made the flood, wind made the flood, weather made the flood, nature made the flood, everything made the flood, God made the flood; God is the flood.

Originally Posted by really

God is compassionate and merciful

Okay, thanks.

Universal, your being pathetic. STop taking things out of context.

"the mind has simply made them up" (Reffering to problems)

"The world made up the flood?"

Two TOTALLY different questions.

"God made the flood"

"God is compassionate and merciful"

The two go together quite nicely. Even a compassionate judge has to punish the verdict sometimes.

Oh yeah, I forgot. A worldwide flood is not a problem.

I do agree that somebody infinitely powerful had no choice but to flood the entire world since every man, woman,child, toddler, baby, and animal in the ENTIRE WORLD (outside of Noah's family and two of each animal) was baaaaaaad and needed to be drowned to death. It was an act of compassion. Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?

Originally Posted by Noogah

Universal, your being pathetic. STop taking things out of context.

"the mind has simply made them up" (Reffering to problems)

"The world made up the flood?"

Two TOTALLY different questions.

"God made the flood"

"God is compassionate and merciful"

The two go together quite nicely. Even a compassionate judge has to punish the verdict sometimes.

Ridiculous. God is infinitely compassionate and omnipotent. Therefore he could have fixed the problem without moving a grain of sand.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Oh yeah, I forgot. A worldwide flood is not a problem.

I do agree that somebody infinitely powerful had no choice but to flood the entire world since every man, woman,child, toddler, baby, and animal in the ENTIRE WORLD (outside of Noah's family and two of each animal) was baaaaaaad and needed to be drowned to death. It was an act of compassion. Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?

You would complain if he forced you into being a Christian too. He gave humanity a choice. Humanity chose rebellion. Understandably, God was upset, and decided to just end it. Finding a family loyal to him, he saved them.

If he had forced all humanity into subjection, you would be bawling about how you don't have a choice.

You have a choice, and you made it. Now be happy, go enjoy life, AND DONT WASTE ANYMORE TIME ON THESE FORUMS!

That's funny. What a horrendous being. I would never kill people just because they didn't believe in me. It's mind-boggling, scary, and sad.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Okay, thanks.

Oh, I see your point. So you think "problems" are not arbitrary?

Originally Posted by Noogah

Universal, your being pathetic. STop taking things out of context.

"the mind has simply made them up" (Reffering to problems)

"The world made up the flood?"

Two TOTALLY different questions.

"God made the flood"

"God is compassionate and merciful"

The two go together quite nicely. Even a compassionate judge has to punish the verdict sometimes.

Yeah, you get it. Yet even punishment is a projection.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Oh yeah, I forgot. A worldwide flood is not a problem.

Think about it, seriously. What is a "problem"? I don't care how big or small it is.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I do agree that somebody infinitely powerful had no choice but to flood the entire world since every man, woman,child, toddler, baby, and animal in the ENTIRE WORLD (outside of Noah's family and two of each animal) was baaaaaaad and needed to be drowned to death. It was an act of compassion. Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?

I don't see what you mean. You still think it is a problem, and that it is also unscientific to come out of compassion?

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Ridiculous. God is infinitely compassionate and omnipotent. Therefore he could have fixed the problem without moving a grain of sand.

Who's problem? I doubt God had a problem with it, and God is everything.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You can choose to believe in hell. Your not some wee little infant with sensitive nerves. Be a man, and come to grips with things. There are some things that are hard to accept but true! You have an alternative. According to your mentality:

I can either go to Hell, or there is no Hell.

OOOOOOORRRRRRR.....

You can become a Christian.



Come to grips with whats hard to grip, or continue with the easy life. EIther way, you'll have to answer up someday.

Option A: Choose God and relieve self on philosophical queries and satisfy desire of greater meaning. Comforted at the fact of heaven and safeguard from hell.

Option B: Be practical and consider fact that there is no innate "sin" and duty bound responsibility that we have accountability for. Have the audacity to research for yourself and decide how you would like to live based upon an objective, analytical study of who you are. This self righteous task of independent freedom, happens to also be a religious offense, So you could burn in flames forever for doing so.

Option B is clearly an easy road, whilst Option A takes a toll on you; Requiring significant rationality and logical reasoning. Oh, how hard it must be to believe in Horus the Sun God. I.e Jesus....

Originally Posted by Dreams4free

This self righteous task of independent freedom, happens to also be a religious offense, So you could burn in flames forever for doing so.

Doesn't matter if you are atheist. If you don't believe, there is no threat.

Originally Posted by Fableflame

Doesn't matter if you are atheist. If you don't believe, there is no threat.

Thats the whole idea of wagering against a catholic if he was true. This is hypothetical with respect to all religions considered, not just the mentality of the atheist.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

That's funny. What a horrendous being. I would never kill people just because they didn't believe in me. It's mind-boggling, scary, and sad.

You might if they cussed your name, and hated the very thought of you.

It wasn't worth the keep. If you made a computer simulated tribe of people with real emotions, and they started cussing you, hating you, and persecuting the people who really DID love you, you would do the world a favor if you ended it.

Originally Posted by Fableflame

Doesn't matter if you are atheist. If you don't believe, there is no threat.

IF YOU DONT BELIEVE!? More like, if it isn't so. Oh it's still a threat, just not one you really care much about conciously.

But there is NO such thing as an athiest in a fox hole. It doesn't matter what you believe, what matters is reality.

Can you know for a fact that you will not go to hell?

Originally Posted by Noogah

You might if they cussed your name, and hated the very thought of you.

It wasn't worth the keep. If you made a computer simulated tribe of people with real emotions, and they started cussing you, hating you, and persecuting the people who really DID love you, you'd do the world a favor by just ending it.

I love how you told her what she would do in that position, like you knew her.

Originally Posted by Fableflame

I love how you told her what she would do in that position, like you knew her.

I meant that she would be doing the world a big favor IF she would end it. Sorry, my fault. I'll correct that.

Originally Posted by Noogah

IF YOU DONT BELIEVE!? More like, if it isn't so. Oh it's still a threat, just not one you really care much about conciously.

But there is NO such thing as an athiest in a fox hole. It doesn't matter what you believe, what matters is reality.

Can you know for a fact that you will not go to hell?

Can you know for a fact that I will?

Well THATS not the point. You cant know that your house will catch fire, but you cant know that it won't.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You might if they cussed your name, and hated the very thought of you.

It wasn't worth the keep. If you made a computer simulated tribe of people with real emotions, and they started cussing you, hating you, and persecuting the people who really DID love you, you would do the world a favor if you ended it.

No actually, I wouldn't kill someone, no matter how much they hated me. Because I am above those kinds of actions. And I'd be absolutely terrified of someone who thought killing was okay (excluding self-defense of course). Sometimes stories of god make me think they're more fitting of satan instead.

People can do a lot of good in the world, regardless of what they say or believe about god. So to wipe out existence, as per that particular bible story, is cruel, selfish, and is a downright horrendous crime.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Well THATS not the point. You cant know that your house will catch fire, but you cant know that it won't.

Actually, that is the point.
You can't compare hell's existence with the possibility of my house catching fire. That's stupid. We know that there are several ways that a house could catch fire. Maybe I left the stove on. Maybe my dad didn't quite but that cigarette out and it gets dropped on the couch. Maybe I spontaneously combust and I take the rest of the house with me.

However, there aren't several ways that we know that will lead to us going to hell and burning for all of eternity. None whatsoever. The only "proof" you have is this little book that says you will go to hell. I'm sorry, but that doesn't prove anything.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Sometimes stories of god make me think they're more fitting of satan instead.

Lucifer is the real hero in the old testament if you ask me. I bet if its all real, when we get down there, it's gonna be chill as fuck. There's gonna be all sorts of cool and smart people. We're gonna be kicking it. 24/7 party is my guess. But the chill kind where there's enough room to find some quite time as well. I kinda hope it's all true come to think of it. Anybody that took a stand against that douche can't be that bad.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You would complain if he forced you into being a Christian too. He gave humanity a choice. Humanity chose rebellion. Understandably, God was upset, and decided to just end it. Finding a family loyal to him, he saved them.

The millions of babies and toddlers in the world needed to be drowned to death because they didn't suck up to God? What a terrorist schmuck you worship.

Originally Posted by Noogah

If he had forced all humanity into subjection, you would be bawling about how you don't have a choice.

Why the Hell does there need to be subjection? Why is it so important that he mass murders over it? Why do you condone such a thing?

Originally Posted by Noogah

You have a choice, and you made it. Now be happy, go enjoy life, AND DONT WASTE ANYMORE TIME ON THESE FORUMS!

What choice did I make? Not to bow down to a big arrogant shit-head I don't even think exists? Would it make sense for you to be tortured for not worshipping Apllo?

Originally Posted by really

Think about it, seriously. What is a "problem"? I don't care how big or small it is.

Mass death, eternal torture... that sort of thing, some of which I would be willing to risk my life to stop others from having to experience. If God is compassionate, he is against that sort of thing too. If his give a fuck meter is on zero, he is not compassionate.

Originally Posted by Noogah

But there is NO such thing as an athiest in a fox hole. It doesn't matter what you believe, what matters is reality.

I have never been more aware of the absurdity of the idea of God than when I was facing death.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Can you know for a fact that you will not go to hell?

About like you can know you won't be raped by a giant squid when you are asleep tonight.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

People can do a lot of good in the world, regardless of what they say or believe about god. So to wipe out existence, as per that particular bible story, is cruel, selfish, and is a downright horrendous crime.

It is many times more evil than what Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot did. If that guy is the invisible dictator of the world, then the world is just fucked. If he were real, I wouldn't trust him to act right toward me even if I did worship him. He's like a wife beater times a trillion.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Anybody that took a stand against that douche can't be that bad.

ROFL! I never thought about it that way. Lucifer took a stand against that creep. I think I have a new understanding of the fairy tales now.

Edit: UM, agreed entirely. Thank goodness he doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Can you know for a fact that you will not go to hell?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

About like you can know you won't be raped by a giant squid when you are asleep tonight.

:bravo:

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