hell isn't burning until it gets cast into the lake of fire from my understanding. |
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When he does NOT. Firstly, I don't believe in the bible, but it kind of irks me when people think Satan has a throne in hell and laughs at everyone burning. Hell was originally created FOR Satan and the fallen ones as a prison. God did NOT give Satan the keys to his own palace ._. I watched Constantine last night (again) and it's even clear that Hollywood perpetuates this image of this bad ass Satan running hell when the intellectual theologians will tell you that he's down there burning with the rest of 'em. Now granted he may have power slip in and out, Hell is NOT a place he likes being in. |
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Things are not as they seem
hell isn't burning until it gets cast into the lake of fire from my understanding. |
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He doesn't have horns either, that just came from demonising Pagans... |
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Personally, I don't believe in Satan or Hell. I believe those ideas were corruptions by the early Roman Catholic Church of earlier Pagan beliefs about the Goddess's cauldron of regeneration, by someone who thought reincarnation wasn't scary enough to keep the masses under control, so they upped the ante to make up a fiery place of eternal torment. It says something about those people, at that time, but is not really anything to do with God, only with humans who need power and control over others. Jesus himself predicted these things; he knew human nature. |
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This also means that evil spirits can't come and torment people, because they are stuck in hell with Satan burning to never ending non death. So those people who say "i have an evil spirit in my house" are looking for attention, or completly looking at things all backwards. So if something falls off a shelf and smacks you in the face, it's not an evil spirit like they wanna think. |
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Last edited by LucidFlanders; 09-11-2009 at 01:43 AM.
Hey Jeff, thanks for this! My sister suggested that I point this out, and you beat me to it. God didn't even make Hell for humans. It was intended for Satan, and his followers (who were fallen Angels) humans followed Satan, thus are bound by the rule. |
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Last edited by Noogah; 09-11-2009 at 01:54 AM.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
That, and a punishment for choosing Satan rather than Jesus. Not being clean, you can't enter Heaven. God let his ONE and only son die, and people ignore it, and follow Satan instead. |
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
If god wanted all of us to be in heaven and he loved us, no way would he allow for evolution. He would make us humans, and never have bad thoughts or a bad life or free will. We can choose whatever we want, thanks to evolution in all the years we evolved. But i am thinking as a human, and to think as a non human is not possible. |
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Did evolution happen? Also, who are you to judge Gods motives? |
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Last edited by Noogah; 09-11-2009 at 10:10 PM.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
So what if he let his son die, that's his problem. If he's stupid enough to make and kill his son, then why should I hail this as an achievement? If he was actually able to prove his existence, that would be a start, but no... |
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Satan doesn't exist in any kind of hell and Revelations support it. |
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What is god to judge my motives? i'm as free as anyone, god does not judge any motives or he would not let me choose and he would have chosen for me. I would pretty much be a zombie with a few set of commands that does whatever i was programmed to do, but i am not that way. Nobody owns anybody. I am free from a programmer. |
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I think it has to do with John's Milton Epic poem paradise lost since in fact he was the first one to call the morning star Lucifer. |
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You won't reign in Hell. I think the Bible is quite clear that you will be punished in Hell. You will be subjected to the torture. Satan doesn't invite you to reign with him, he trys to sneak you into suffering with him. |
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Unless of course you have a soul. No one has ever shown how consciousness is somehow the product of your physical brain. A mass of matter, chemicals, and electricity. |
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
No one has ever shown that a program is the product of billions of simple processes inside of a modern computer, providing of course that you discard all evidence leading to this and instead substitute this idea with the idea that a computer program is the metaphysical projection of a force outside of reality that interacts with the computer. The idea is not only baseless, but shows general ignorance in the area of logical thinking. |
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So it's been proven that you can come back to life after your brain has completely shut down? |
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A computer can think, but it does not have awareness. That's my point. No, it hasn't been proven, but it's a pretty good idea to say that there is a little more to humans than matter, chemicals, and electricity. |
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I said it's debatable, and things like Pam Reynolds story should not be left ignored. The whole aware project is being done for a reason, to find out once and for all if this is trick of the mind, or some type of outside perception like Pam Reynolds story suggests. |
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Maybe. Personally I think she was reliving what little bits of information her sensory perception had received before she went comatose. Also, it is good to note that all skin cells are light-sensitive, and the immense strain on the brain may have caused it to create imagery that didn't exist, or was a contortion of what really was. There is also the problem of personal bias and exaggeration. |
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